Ron Paul Wins in Colorado!

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  1. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    RonPaul2012

    This may not be on the news, but it is happening. Ron Paul is doing very well in the delegate process.

    Take a look at this:

    LVRJ

    And this:
    Examiner

    Again, you will probably not here this on the news, but it's happening.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    Shocking...
     
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    It might have meant something if Ron Paul had a chance, but he doesn't at all.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    It aint over yet pal.
     
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    Ron Paul isn't simply about becoming the nominee of a political party. He is about restarting the anti-federalism movement that Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, and James Monroe brought into existence...and has succeeded beyond all expectations.

    Millions of people are now waking up, breaking their federalist chains, and finding their voice. What he has put into motion can't be stopped and sooner or later we will return this country to a republic where state sovereignty is respected and liberty flourishes...just as the Founding Fathers wished.
     
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    Its hard to imagine what the Founders would really want for us today. Afterall, they created a government that only gave voices to wealthy white men over a certain age. Everyone else was just along for the ride. Not only that, but today's world would be so alien to them I doubt they would comprehend our situation and even begin to know whats truly best for us. Better not to live in the past and instead move forward.
     
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    Ron Paul is dead last and losing. I don't know why so many of you cling on to him so tightly. If he doesn't drop out soon he'll be broke...then he not only wont have an office...he wont have any money either.
     
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    Well said. I think we need politicians like Ron Paul simply to act as a tether, if nothing else... or brakes so to speak, to keep us from flying over the cliff.

    When your mainstream conservative party (R) is guilty of some of the same things that conservatives such as Paul speak out against, then you know that the nation has shifted too far left. I really hope to see the legacy live on in Rand. I have really high hopes in him, he's worthy of the highest office in the land... especially now that we've set the bar so low with Obama.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree. I think that all the Ron Paul supporters should stick with their values.

    Ron Paul or nobody!!!
     
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    although I don't think ron paul will become president I believe his work has and will continue to build a movement and will have a huge impact on how people act and how the country is run.
     
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    It's not hard to imagine. For the most part, they attempted to leave the deciding of what's best to each individual and his or her own conscious. Do you think they would abandon that view entirely, and embrace the collectivist/progressive notion that politicians in power know what is best for people and justly use the violent force of government to impose their views? A few of them would, but doubt it would be even a significant minority.
     
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    Ron Paul wants a free society (free-market capitalism with individual freedom)

    this system, or lack thereof, is the only system actually designed for mankind...or is it the other way around? perhaps mankind is designed for a lack of a governing system over his life by something like...natural selection?

    no, it couldn't be...we better design a roadblock for this freedom man is designed for, a roadblock, that like all other obstacles man encounters, he is practically evolved to overcome...which leads us to:

    Modern politicians (and their brainwashed followers) want socialism (a regulated economy... punish the try-hards, reward the lazy, etc). it works because most people are lazy, thus the politician would do well to appeal to them. i had you there didn't i? you almost thought the system itself worked....Hahaha

    the socialism weakens because it is focused on relieving the pain caused by the flaws of mankind, which does nothing but motivate people to take that relief from the source from which the extraction of said relief will require the least effort/energy expended (it's a human instinct).

    so, lets imagine the founders of this country just read what i wrote...what do you think they would say? maybe, something similar to what they wrote in the constitution perhaps?
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    You are wrong.

    Since April 14 Dr Paul has raised nearly $1.4 million on his campaign's website. http://ronpaul2012.com/
     
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    ^Santorum raised more than that...and still dropped out. Unimpressive fact is unimpressive.

    ...also he'll have to pay that all back. You do know you have to take massive amounts of loans a lot of times to run for office. He's no exception. Just because he made 1.4 mil doesn't mean he gets to keep it when it's all said and done.
     
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    I didn't say he did. I said he is not broke.
     
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    Ron Paul has raised double the amount than what Santorum has... So your point about the numbers being unimpressive is purely your way of simply dodging the fact that you were wrong.

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

    Also looking at who has donated to Romney...
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00000286

    Obama happens to have similar donors... Same bought politicians? Pretty much.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

    Looking at Ron Paul...
    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?id=N00005906

    Oh wow the Military Personal are the top contributors... Hmm vote with the Soldiers who signed their life away to defend our freedom or big Corporations/Banks that manipulate the Market in their favor?
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Roelath again.
     
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    Good luck to Ron, that is all
     
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    It's not hard. Today, race may no longer be a factor, but age certainly is and above all: WEALTH. Do you see any poor or middle class people running for president? Nope.

    Ron Paul is the closest to a "people's man" that we have as he is the poorest candidate running.

    Here are the net worth figures:

    5 million - Ron Paul
    12 million - Barack Obama
    30 million - Newt Gingrich
    250 million - Mitt Romney

    All of them are filthy rich. It has always been that way since George Washington (net worth $525 million in today's $) to JFK who was a billionaire (yes, with a b) to golden spurs Bush and money bags Obama. No matter Democrat or Republican, you have to pay to play.

    Would the Founding Fathers be able to comprehend our current situation? I think so as they were very concerned about the US government becoming exactly what it is now, a massively centralized and dominant government (like England in 1776). However Lincoln buried their efforts to control the federal government and every president since has tossed a little more dirt on top.
     
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    All that means is he'll own more money than Santorum in the end. I don't call that a pro...but if you do....cool I guess.

    I signed my life away, and I'll vote for a strong leader, not a crack pot. Most military thinks this way. Oh you got the small minority of soldiers that violated UCMJ and donated? GOOD FOR YOU lol. The rest of us have self respect and respect the system we we're trained under.
     
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    One of Ron Paul's biggest liabilities is his archaic perspective on issues such as monetary policy and fiscal policy. I appreciate a Andrew Jackson style opposition to debt, but in this day and age, a full-time commitment to opposing debt is not practical. Every nation relies on incurring debt to maintain economic growth. Not doing so hinders development.

    Still, it is possible to reconcile a total opposition to debt with modern fiscal policies and perspectives. I doubt Ron Paul would go for it, yet there is a financial product known as a derivative. The United States also has a central bank willing to engage in the questionable policy of quantitative easing. If you take all derivatives contracts, which have a notional value of $231 trillion dollars, and apply specie to them via quantitative easing, you create a financial product that can be taxed. A 6 percent derivatives tax would yield $13.86 trillion in annual federal revenue. Of course the process in which the application of specie and taxation is more complex, but the point is such a tax provides a dream to conservatives, libertarians, and liberals alike.

    First, with a variation of a balanced budget amendment that takes into account the basics of fiscal policy, a derivatives tax would provide enough revenue to allow the federal government pay off its public debt within at most 5 years. That does not even include the fact that contractionary fiscal policies can and should be implemented during inflationary gaps, which would call for spending cuts.

    Second, a derivatives tax would allow for the elimination of all other taxes. One policy of Ron Paul's is the elimination of the income tax. With a derivatives tax, which cannot just be categorized as a capital gains tax but also an excise tax, the 16th amendment could be repealed, and the IRS could be downsized or even eliminated.

    Third, a derivatives tax can easily be coupled with a sound monetary policy, something Paul upholds. For example, the Federal Reserve has over 1833.5 tons of gold in reserves. This gold is no longer used for any purpose. A good way of putting it to use would be to begin a savings deposit reform program. A new reserve fiat currency could be created, initially backed by the United States dollar, but eventually backed by gold. Open market operations could be conducted that would allow commercial banks to acquire the new fiat currency, but for specific purposes.

    All reserves would be available to holders of savings deposits or people looking to get a savings deposit on or below the poverty level. Such people are obviously the poor, those on fixed incomes, and senior citizens, all of which are hurt by the inflation tax. Customers of depository institutions would be able to exchange their dollars in savings deposits for the new currency. Once all savings deposits from a depository institution are changed, gold reserves could be applied to such accounts.

    One may think this is a silly proposition, but consider this. The market price of gold is approximately $1650 per troy ounce. The official price of gold is currently $42 per troy ounce. The Federal Reserve can easily establish the official price of gold as the market price. When doing so, the value of all those savings deposits increase tremendously. Consequently, such a policy creates the ultimate safety net. Over time, the gold safety net could be expanded. The Federal Reserve's gold holdings could be expanded by having them acquire gold holdings from the IMF, the BIS, and other international monetary organizations. In the end, Ron Paul would be able to be a fiscal conservative by drastically cutting entitlement spending, simply because a market-based safety net would be in place.

    Other than savings deposit reform, a derivatives tax could and should be coupled with the creation of a new reserve currency for the application of specie. It is clear that increasing the amount of US dollars by $231 trillion dollars would lead to hyperinflation. Therefore, having a reserve currency, backed by a large market basket of highly inflationary goods and services and United States dollars would provide the juice needed to keep the specie train going.

    So, I just created innovative fiscal and monetary policies that can even appeal to Ron Paul. In summation, I showed how modern fiscal and monetary policies can be reconciled with a conservative attitude. This is what Ron Paul needs to do.
     
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    Great post thankyou for the clarification , my analysis is that the divisions within the the Tearepublicans is deepening .despite what the candidates want people are moving independently from them .that presents an emormous problem not just for the republicans but for US Imperialism ,old well trodden mechanisms for political discourse and expression are so fractured as to be rupturing.

    Politics in the USA in general is bursting the old corroded pipes of the Republicans and by imputation the Democrats as well.

    Good reason this being keep quiet ,again I thank you and will give this some more thoughtful collective comradely contemplation ,see the party as a whole can help with the more developed political position ,some people don't have functioning political parties poor dears .

    thanks again.
     
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    Here are the net worth figures:

    5 million - Ron Paul
    12 million - Barack Obama
    30 million - Newt Gingrich
    250 million - Mitt Romney

    Now if we collectively judge them in political capital terms instead of money ,as nothing in politics is just money ,then how would it look in terms of unused political capital in political longevity.

    Barak Obama =0 years left,as all his previous support is now disillusioned.

    Mitt Romney = 2years max ,only has money capitial very little political capitial unless flip-flop politics can be conscidered.

    Newt gindrich =spent his political capitial a decade ago .Irelevent.

    Ron Who Paul= not politics.no capitial

    Ric Santorum =part of the disintergrating fractured tea party crowd which has a very limited political half life ,will be blamed for the coming disaster.political liability not Capital .


    so out of the lot ,maybe 2 years of political BS ,spin between them .All doe not bode well for US Imperialism this is the best of the best of American P_olitical non-leadership btw!Not just any Joe Blow ,although Joe would on average do a much better job.
     
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    Here are the net worth figures:

    5 million - Ron Paul
    12 million - Barack Obama
    30 million - Newt Gingrich
    250 million - Mitt Romney

    Now if we collectively judge them in political capital terms instead of money ,as nothing in politics is just money ,then how would it look in terms of unused political capital in political longevity.

    Barak Obama =0 years left,as all his previous support is now disillusioned.

    Mitt Romney = 2years max ,only has money capitial very little political capitial unless flip-flop politics can be conscidered.

    Newt gindrich =spent his political capitial a decade ago .Irelevent.

    Ron Who Paul= not politics.no capitial

    Ric Santorum =part of the disintergrating fractured tea party crowd which has a very limited political half life ,will be blamed for the coming disaster.political liability not Capital .


    so out of the lot ,maybe 2 years of political BS ,spin between them .All doe not bode well for US Imperialism this is the best of the best of American P_olitical non-leadership btw!Not just any Joe Blow ,although Joe would on average do a much better job.
     
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    Do you even read what you type? He will owe more? Honestly... People giving him DONATIONS... NOT LOANS doesn't equate to him having to pay it all back. You need to think more before you type.

    So he is a crack pot simply because he doesn't support Endless Wars? Alright whatever... you enjoy the little world you perceive it to be and I'm not by any means going to pop your bubble. Don't bash someone purely upon opinion and your rubbish thoughts... Also please point the exact quote as to where it is illegal.
     

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