Roy Moore And The Dangerous Rise Of Christian Nationalism

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  1. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pastor Jeremiah Wright preached racism and anti-government sermons. Does this mean we should shut down all Christian churches or does it mean we should be intelligent enough to know that some churches are more radical than others?

    "The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, "Let me make myself perfectly clear..." Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.... The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie."
     
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    Oh was I all in favor of invading Iraq? Frankly during the Clinton administration, I fought as hard with Democrats then as now that the right thing was just to get away from Saddam and Iraq. I had no reason to back Bush and his invasion. But once he invaded,. I had to try to come forth with some silver lining.

    Powell got way too much credit for military doctrine. Powell never served with TRACON. General William DePuy whom commanded my unit in Germany but departed a few months ahead of my arrival is the man credited for the present military doctrine.

    Study William E. DePuy and you too will appreciate him.

    Bush's invasion forces lost maybe 140 men in combat. For such a massive invasion, that is remarkable. i know why casualties were so low. Franks was not commanding later when the shia and Sunni waged war that caught our forces up in their war. I have no clue what Franks would have done but General Sanchez then commanded Iraq upon Franks retirement. And Abizaid had taken over for General Franks at CENTCOM.

    I blame the Iraqis for planting IEDs. I don't blame Bush for a bit of that. How much actual good intelligence were we able to gather on him during Saddam's reign of terror? Our CIA had plenty of problems trying to penetrate him.

    I do not blame bush at all for the intelligence blunders.

    But check up on the Clinton law I spoke of. it is easy to find calling it the Iraqi freedom act.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is more on Friday prayers.

     
  4. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know. Were you? You seem to be supporting the decision of Bush and his Chickenhawks to invade.
     
  5. Max Rockatansky

    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dude, you are free to hate Muslims, but any real Christian knows that hate is wrong.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Noni explains that Muslims teach them to kill the enemies of Allah. Christians as she explains are taught the opposite.

    I have known many Muslims. I recall when Sia an adult born in Iran who escaped from there was a full blown Muslim. Later he converted to Catholic faith. I did not realize this was going to happen.

    As a Catholic, I asked the Iran man, Sia, would you say Muslims are violent people?
    Sia a man educated in college in Iran told me yes. Muslims are violent he said.
    Noni Darwish a former Muslim says that they are taught Jihad all the time. She says we speak of peace. Muslims teach in terms of making war on us. They want us killed if we refuse to submit to Allah.
     
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    Max, was it up to you or me to invade? After the fact, I wanted some kind of silver lining. I wanted there to be a good reason to invade. I was one time at the Vietnam war memorial in DC and a reporter caught up to me. I was caught flat footed.

    Do you approve the invasion he asked me, camera rolling? I kind of stammered and said that I support America and this country had a long standing beef with Saddam and to support Bush means I support our men who were ordered to invade. The men in uniform were not asked for their opinion. I had served in the Army and part of me still thinks like they think. We buried my uncle for gods sake. He died in Korea. We lost a wonderful human. I do know what it means to invade. But this nation had for eons gone at Saddam including Bill Clinton that it was too late for me to say do not invade.
     
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    So what is your solution? Kill all of them first?
     
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    No, but that wasn't the question. Like Powell, I knew before the fact it was a bad idea for the aforementioned reasons. Anyone who believed we'd be in and out by Christmas was an idiot. Our military is made for attack not occupation. Occupying Iraq cost us over 4400 live and thousands of maimed and wounded. Was it worth it? No.
     
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    No, not at all. But we must open our eyes to what they say, What we say matters not. What we do in defense matters very much.
     
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    You may be happy to know that Franks plans that Bush agreed with and fully accepted was we defeat Saddam. We stand up a temporary civilian government and start training a new army for Iraq and take off. Bush had no way given the poor intelligence to believe the civil war would happen. Franks planned for about a 12 month stay. They wanted a light footprint in Iraq with them accepting our stay was to be short. And for close to a year, it was working well.

    It is possible that General Abizaid was persuasive to stay longer. not sure. Wish he wrote a book.
     
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    Meanwhile Amazon wins Alabama. ;-)
     
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    It proves that the hypocritical Democrats understand how to use sex as a bludgeon.
     
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    The eye-opening came on 9/11/2001. Can you imagine the outrage that would have erupted if GW had proposed DHS and TSA on September the 10th?
     
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    Definite win!
     
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    Democrats would have plenty of trouble given their views prior to Bush winning office.
     
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    "It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools".

    Dude, it's one thing to try to blame 9/11 on Bush since he'd only been in office less than 7 months, but by the Iraq War, he'd been on office over two years. If the intel was weak, he shouldn't have invaded. Invading then blaming his failures on poor intel just make him look weak and foolish...plus wasting over 4400 American lives.
     
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    The Democrats share the blame; all were too spineless and afraid of being called weak and anti-American for voicing opposition to the war except for Bernie.
     
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    Or perhaps Republican hypocrites can leave little boys and girls alone?
     
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    And since it's an election, apparently you're perfectly happy branding someone as a predator based on unsubstantiated accusations. I congratulate you for taking the moral high road.
     
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    Where was Moore accused of touching little boys and little girls?
     
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    Shelby, Sessions, and others found the predator's victims credible, while other took the moral high ground of calling his victims liars, a charge they could not substantiate.
     
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    He signed the Iraqi Liberation Act which got the ball rolling. It's a violation of international law to interfere with the internal politics of a sovereign nation, and both parties joined in unison and have been doing it happily for years.
     
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    Name-dropping doesn't validate your guilty-before-proven-innocent mentality.

    The substantiation rests on the part of the accusers, not on those who are skeptical of the accusers.
     
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    Voters likely will though.
     

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