Royals win world series,Rams r going back to LA,life is great.Yahoo!

hey dont shoot the messenger.Im just stating the facts.You may not like the facts but thats the way it is. everywhere in the country we are bankrupt including st louis so the point is?

see your now doing what all st louis folks do after i just got done praising you for accepting it that the Rams are as good as gone, whats up with that bro?

st louis folks somehow get defensive just because i state the facts that they cannot afford to keep the rams or another team anytime in the future. those are all cold hard facts that they cannot afford to keep the rams or build a new stadium anytime soon,dont shoot the messsenger.

I am not trying to paint a bad picture of st louis at all.I think st louis is a very nice city.I think the dome is a dump sure,that doesnt mean I think the CITY is a dump though,major difference there dude.relax.

that was just a prediction of mine that you may not get one till 2030 or so,relax. and just so you know,this is what I would LOVE to see happen,the Rams come back to LA next year,chargers stay in san diego,and st louis gets the cardinals back next year.thats the way it should be and would be in a perfect world but as we know,this isnt a perfect world.that we can agree on.

Im not laughing at you losing the Rams,Im laughing at the idiots in the media who never report those facts.

Matter of fact i dont like it that they lead you on into thinking that you all will get a new team anytime soon in the future.you might but like i said,wont be for several years down the road though the way the economy is.

 

btw i see you still have not answered my question i have asked you many times which is when the Rams leave are you still going to be a Rams fan,or are you going to be a chiefs fan,or are you going to do what I did when the rams left LA,stop watching NFL football? simple question.dont know why you are afraid to answer it.

fred roggin on his radio show in LA said this about the raiders coming to st louis saying the same thing which is-dont get mad here when i say this st louis but this is why I dont believe the raiders will be coming to st louis in the future.mark davis has said that st louis does not work for him as a market for the raiders.

Now is mark davis saying st louis doesnt work as a market for the raiders or is he saying st louis doesnt work for a market in the NFL? I think he is saying the latter. dont get mad,that is just what I believe because form what we hear,the NFL does not believe st louis is a market either that the city will support long term.they dont thinks its a desirable marketplace.

 

My brother will be happy about the Rams, he has been a fan since he was a kid and he was a fan even when they moved to STL. He tried steering me towards being a Ram but I grew fond of the Raiders growing up and I am still a fan today. Hopefully the Raiders go back to LA as well and we can have fun with our rivalry once again.

Just please not the stupid chargers , I hate them and their fans are truly annoying. I love my uncle and my cousins but damn they think just because they had a few winning seasons that they are relevant.

 

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The Rams are not a bad franchise and they are coming up along the side the raiders. Their defense is tough and the only true problem on offense is their signal caller. If the Rams got a true decent QB they would be very tough to beat, especially with the talent in the back field. Tre mason and Todd Gurley could be Allen/Jackson light, but Gurley has all the tools to be Jackson right out of the gate.

You want to talk a true crap franchise look no further than the Chargers. They have nothing but a history of fail , and just because they did good for 10 years doesn't erase the other 50 and they still have not won a super bowl. The only time they went it was a complete embarrassment from the beginning.

The Rams and Raiders are both storied franchises, both having their ups and downs but they have much more loyal and larger fan bases.

The Chargers are crap, take them to STL.

 

The Rams are the most losing NFL franchise in the 21st Century. No other teams have lost as many games.

Frankly I don't see that changing in Los Angeles, and LA is not a city that supports a losing franchise long term. No one wants the Raiders because of their affiliation with gang culture, but they already moved once in LA, I don't see that changing if they move. Oakland itself is a dying city, much like St. Louis...they can't afford a new stadium either.

I'd like to see St. Louis get the Jaguars, and start from scratch with a bottom rung team. The StL Rams are going nowhere under Jeff Fisher, they need to clean house entirely.

 

Yes the Jaguars I believe are up and comers as well, they just need some key players on defense. I think Blake Bortles will become a fine qb and he has the weaponry to do so now.

But back to the Rams and Raiders. Once again both teams have very loyal fan bases and they are much more storied than the freaking Chargers. So what if the Rams havent been strong in the last 10 years, its only 10 years and again like the Raiders both teams are young and making things happen. And as far as your little gang culture talk that is pretty much over with, nobody uses Raider gear unless they are a fan, its not gang affiliated.

And what is it you say about LA not supporting losing squads? ummmmm do the Clippers ring a bell? They just now started really winning games but before that only saw the playoffs 1 time in their whole history. They were Los Angeles' loveable losers and they were well supported. My Dodgers went through a hell of a drought in the 90's and the 2000's. We were freaking horrible, but that didn't stop us from supporting them. From college to pro's Californians support their teams and the Raiders would still be in Los Angeles had the city gave Al Davis the stadium he wanted, he didn't leave out of no support from his fan base.

One of the problems with the Rams and Raiders having a hard time coming by wins is their locations, no big boys really want to go to Oakland or STL. But give them the choice to go to Los Angeles now and lets see what happens.

 

I'll never understand why anybody like your brother would be a fan of a team that gave them the middle finger. that is just asinine and stupid.thats like your wife leaving you for another man even though you were faithful and loyal to her for many decades and you being supportive of it.no difference.

IF there is a second team that joins the Rams "and that is a MAJOR IF." it will be the chargers. In a perfect world it would be the Rams back to LA,chargers stay in SD and Raiders stay in oakland but its not a perfect world.they are pushing for two teams so it will be the chargers if there is another team.

If the Rams arent playing in LA,then they arent the Rams,thats some other football team that has been in st louis the last 20 years.same with the Raiders,if they arent in Oakland,they arent the Raiders.Los Angeles Raiders sounded so stupid same as st louis rams does. I'll never call the Raiders anything other than Oakland Raiders and the Rams Los Angeles Rams.

forget the Raiders,they are not going back.the NFL owners and the politicians of LA dont want them there.the NFL owners dont want them there because they are sore at the Davis family for suing the league to move there in the first place.the politicians dotn want them there because their logo and colors promote gang violance Not to mention the corporations who would put up the money for sponsorships dont want the Raiders either is what I have heard being mentioned.

Naw the Raiders need to stay in Oakland where they belong.thats their identity,their home.when they were in LA it was mostly only thugs that embraced them there,thats why the politicians dont want them back.

The only way the Raiders would be allowed to come back to LA is if they would rebrand and change their image completely.that means getting rid of the colors and logo.

The Raiders are out.I can tell you that right now.Better to worry more about the Chargers coming to LA.

 

Dude you need to get past your hate of the Chargers to see that thats not ever going to happen.why would the Chargers leave a beautiful city like san diego for a city like st louis that is not a football town,is only a baseball and hockey town?

st louis if it gets another team in the future,it will be the Jaguars.

You are right that the Rams just need a good quarterback and that would solve their problems.I said from day one Foles was not the answer,that both teams were worse off than they were before the trade.

The Raiders have a storied franchise but they need a new owner though or they will be the joke of the NFL.They were successful for so long because AL had a good football mind.His son Mark is an idiot though.He cares more about hanging around at hooters than running a franchise.He never wanted to be the owner in the first place.He just took over because he felt obligated to his father to continue the legacy and keep it in the family name.

 

Howie Long mentioned once that he and other teammates stopped taking their familys to games because of the gang violance in the stands while in LA.It might be over with,but corporations in LA are not taking the chance,they are not going to sponsor them so the Raiders are out of the picture. they will either move to santa clara and share a stadium there with the niners if they dont get a stadium deal done or they will get their new stadium,one or the other.

there might not be gangs in Raider gear anymore,however,when the Raiders left LA,crime dropped and the city wants to keep it that way.Oakland fans get a bad rap because of the Raider fans behaviour in LA.the Raider fans in LA would cheer when an opposing player got hurt.the gang image mignt not be there anymore,but that wouldnt stop them from being classless cheering over someone getting hurt.

You should listen to Fred Roggins radio show out there in LA.Roggin is very objective.He always tells his listeners to think with their mind not with your heart. Roggin does just that.He reports the facts on what he learns and he has never missed once on everything he has said about the LA NFL relocation and he has said all along the Rams will come to LA and the Chargers MIGHT join them a couple years down the road.

He is always way ahead of everyone else on this.He said way back in january,that the Rams would be coming to LA next year getting that from many NFL sources he talks with and that the Chargers would be the second team that would join them down the road.well guess what?

just this past summer people like Al Michales and others such as ESPN reporters,they started saying the same thing and acting like it was first hand news nobody had heard of before.

Roggin has said this all along from day one and this applies to you as well-It doesnt matter what you want,it doesnt matter what I want.me and you dont make these decisions.the NFL does. People call me here and say all the time-Fred why do you hate the Raiders so much? where do people come up with this? I dont hate the Raiders,I have never said that,never. I would love to see both the Rams and the Raiders come back to LA matter of fact but it doesnt matter what I want.the owners dont want that and thats the only vote that matters.Not what you or I want.

so forget the Raiders,they arent coming back.

Yeah people who dont live in LA are clueless in their ramblings that LA doesnt support losing teams.that is a myth they assume to be true because of the beachs and how they have so much to do there.Matter of fact I forget who it was but a former NBA coach was at a Lakers game last year and the Lakers were playing another bad team just like them and his comments made USA TODAY newspapers that he was impressed with the large turnout for the crowd for a team that had been so bad last season.

You are HALFWAY correct there in what you mentioned about one of the problems with the Rams and Raiders getting wins is their location.That IS true for St Louis,nobody wants to go to st louis and play inside that dump stadium there.

You look at that dump stadium and its a depressing place to play at.the artificial turf is the worst of any NFL stadium,one of the players that got hurt earlier this year from an opposing team is suing the city for the injury he got since the turf is what caused it.

You are way off though in saying that Raiders have a hard time because of their location.thats absurd to say players dont want to go to Oakland though. you somehow seem to forget that when Rich Gannon was their quarterback,he turned that franchise around from being a joke into a contender taking them to the superbowl.

The problem with the Raiders losing is not location,has nothing to do with it.they need a new owner who has passion for football and knows what he is doing.ever since Gannon retired the Raiders have been horrible.Gannon commanded respect from the players.He was the first quarterback they had since Jim Plunkett to get the respect of his teammates. The problem is they have not had a good quarterback since then or an owner who knows a thing about what he is doing.

Al in his old age got senial and did not know what he was doing and his son is an idiot.they can move to LA and it wont make a damn but of difference,they will still suck.

with the Rams,once they move to LA,Kroneke will fire Fisher and clean house and every good free agent on the market will want to come and play there.I believe Kroneke is doing what that b!tch Georgia Frontiere did,purpously losing so the fans wont show up so he can justify the move,thats why he hasnt fired Fisher despite his failure there with one losing season after another.

having the NFL back in LA will work if it is ONLY THE RAMS ALONE.if they bring in another team they will screw it up. the NFL doesnt seem to understand that just because it works in new york with two teams doesnt mean it will work in LA with two teams.

When the Raiders were in LA,that hurt the fanbase for the Rams.The NFL is only going to bring in one team there to start off with.they are going to want to see how one team works first before bringing in a second team.

The Raiders while having a big fanbase out there,its limited. When the Raiders were in LA,it was mostly Oakland fans that went out there and supported them.that stadium was halfway empty all the time.If they left them again,they would not go out there and support them again.many have said so.

Dan Dierdorf said that while he was a broadcaster for Raider games out there in LA,all the Raider games they televised were all on the road because they could not sell out their games.

The Rams on the other hand had no problem selling out their games and were on monday night football many times in the 70's and 80's.

Here is the proof in the pudding the Raiders were never embraced when they there in LA.

the year the Raiders won the superbowl out there in LA,the very next year for their home opener they only drew a small measly crowd of just 46,269 there.

what did the Rams draw that same season? 65,403 of a standing room only crowd which was pretty impressive itself since they were playing in a baseball stadium..

The Oakland Raiders might have won a superbowl out there in LA but nobody in LA cared.

they did not care because LA only cares about the Rams,nobody else.

I have a feeling whats going to happen is the Rams will be back in LA next year.we know that.

a few years down the road like 5 to ten,they will add in and bring in an expansion team.they are not going to want to lose the san diego market and the chargers are the only team from the AFC the NFL is going to want in LA.

 

here is the major difference between LA Raider fans and LA Ram fans.Its like night and day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYLMAkfuyzI

 

this is why the Raiders will never be allowed to come back to LA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klR2KNMa2DA

How Long also has said in the past that him and many of the players on the team stopped taking their wifes and their familys to Raider games because of the thugs and gang violance in the stands. they would even fight with fellow Raider fans amongst themselves.

what was really funny was how when the NFL relocation thing was talked about in the mainstream media in LA about a year ago,the newscasters were talking about how the Rams might be coming home and when he said the Raiders might as well,the lady newscaster then went on to say-The Raider? ewww.comedy gold.

 

some interesting stuff on the Raiders.

I just got off the phone with the PR guy Pat Freeman in association with Vintage Pro Sports LLC.
He informed me that they have met with several City and County officials and another meeting with Libby Schaff is scheduled within 2 weeks from now in Oakland.
Mr. Freeman also mentioned that Mark Davis likes Vintage Pro Sports LLC.'s stadium plan a lot.
-They are not asking for any money or shares from the Oakland Raiders
-The City would only need to cover infrastructure cost
-The stadium will have a re-tractable roof for multi purpose events outside of football year round
-They have a mission to build a stat of the art Super Bowl competitive site that the NFL would find attractive
What's in it for Vintage Pro Sports LLC.? They want the revenue gained from all the other events that are held year round in the Coliseum Site. (Monster Truck Shows, Summer Jam/Concerts, College Football, etc.
If the meeting is public in about 2 weeks Mr. Freeman said that he will notify me and I will surely spread the word and share.


enough talk of the Raiders coming back to LA.not happening.The Raiders are the only team of the three that has come out and said they WANT to stay in Oakland. Plus Al Davis's wife has said she wants to stay in Oakland as well.that is something the mainstream media always leaves out in their reporting,they dont want you to know the facts that his wife is the majority share owner of the Raiders.that Mark is just a minority owner.

 

getting closer and closer to the season ending so the announcement can be made.

 

2016 LOS ANGLES Rams just as i called it with MAYBE the Chargers joining them in a couple years.

LA RAMS 2016
stan kroneke is the only guy that has a project and is ready to go.does not need any approval,financing is set in inglewood,has a team to move there because he owns the Rams,he wants to go.@Kdubblive: "Kroenke has the money to make this happen, and why force him to go back to St. Louis when he doesn't want to go back, because quite honestly, he doesn't want to stay in St. Louis."

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