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Its from the Koran

 

Your baseless, general claims of dishonesty really serve no purpose. Be specific if you can.

 

No, you just make these general denials, over and over and over again and merely claim youve given the details in the past.

 

The crusades were a response to 3 centuries of Muslim slaughter, genocide, and occupation Christian lands. Islam is Imperialism and it has been since its inception.

 

Huh ? Not to be told how to worship ? Hmmm , In which case , have you ever objected to -christian education to children ?


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Fairy tale- nonsense'

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They were as certain as you are in the existence of God Jesus and believing they were faithfully acting in Jesus's cause , against all unbelieving heathens - Jews and Saracens.

Can you please tell me how /when have "our children + we been indoctrinated into the propagandized version of pro Islamic anti-Christian history"


Just the facts , please.



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And do you have any idea what Christians did to pre-Christian indigenious tribes of Europe , are you aware of the barbarity perpetrated throughout Europe and beyond , since its inception. ?

However , I concede that Crusaders , did not slaughter as many of their enemies than so-called "civilized " Christians did during the last century world wide , , in the name of christian"Western Democracy"


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All in contradiction of Christian, biblical doctrine.

 

That depends on how its interpreted /understood/used + mis-used, much as you + many others - /distort passages from Koran (ignoring the Talmud) in order to score cheap points + to excuse /side step , Zionists criminal/immoral denial of the Palestinian people's legitimate rights.



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I havent interpreted anything. I quoted from the Quran. During the crusades, the catholic church used CATHOLIC doctrine to justify their actions. Doctrine having nothing to do with the bible. Whereas the Islamic Caliphates that ruled from the 620s to the 1920s were adhering to the doctrine. A plain, literal interpretation of the doctrine. Thats the fundamental difference from Christianity and Islam. The protestant reformation, using the text of the bible to demonstrate the illigitimacy of the rule of the church, reformed christianity. Muslims use the doctrine of the koran and hadiths to demmonstrate the illigitimacy of any government other than an Islamic caliphate and use the doctrine to justify their fighting to bring it back.

 

O K So, then let's look at the bible , shall we .? Have you read the Bible ? Did you note how many times God commanded the slaughter/extermination of those people - God's creatures , who without knowledge of Elohim/El's / Yahwey's etc existence, worshipped other Gods ?

If you dont know abt it , would you like me to repeat all those Bible passages ?

btw - Muslims , like christians , are not homogenous , their are varying denominations with varying interpretations /understanding of Koranic passages , for example familiarize yrself with what the Ahmadias/ Ismailis + a number of othe non-headline grabbing Sunnis believe


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Yes, the old testament god did all of this. And if he were to again get involved in the daily affairs of the material world, commanding the slaughter of people in the material world, THEN we might have an issue. God commanded violence against Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites in a certain place at a particuliar time that has passed.

In contrast to Islam where the violence is directed at "those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority". Violence commanded against them because they "do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited". Violence UNTIL "religion should be only for Allah". Until "they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate". "until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." A literal interpretation of the above justifies these Islamic fundamentalists war on the US.

 

i don't mind how i look but i do enjoy other's ignorance

While feudal Europe was far better i suppose ? you better go and read about the dark ages , the constant infighting , the unpaid mercenaries ravaging the countryside , plague , famine and aristocracy .

Yes they became "centers of christianity" after they wipe out all previous religions , i see you don't like when others use same medicine ...
If you take a look on major figures from the Mamluk and Ottoman states you will see that most of them were low born Balkan natives , Greeks, Croatians , Albanians and so on , being muslim gave the chance to anyone to seek a better life while during the era of the Byzantines peasants only things they could hope was to survive another raid of bandits, the tax collectors to leave some grain behind and the local noble to find your just married wife really ugly.

People of that era did what everyone else was doing despite of religion .

This is quite true because through the crusades the northern European cavemen came to meet the Arabs, the Turks, the Greeks and the southern Italians learning how to talk , to dress , to eat and even some of them how to read . It was a good chance for Mediterranean civilisation to civilise European filth once more .
(BTW even the flags of the Vatican were made by muslims )

 

General information on the European cavemen lol;

A sect of the crusaders began as poor ill equipped soldiers but evolved into the best fighting force of that era. The Knights Templar were the delta force of antiquity. The crusader, a "knight of Christ", especially the knights templars i.e. 'The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon' were commonly known as the 'Knights Templar' or the 'Order of the Temple'. "Templar knights, in their distinctive white mantles with red cross, were among the most skilled fighting units of the Crusades. Non-combatant members of the Order of the knights templar managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Christendom, innovating financial techniques (many experts say the Templars invented modern banking, hey maybe that was a curse not a blessing! lol) and building many fortifications across Europe and the Holy Land." Lastly even if one disagrees or agrees with the Islamic propaganda demonizing the Crusades historians agree that the crusades allowed Christianity i.e. ‘western civilization*’ as we know it last long enough to see the downfall of the once powerful Islamic armies and its despotic leaders, eventually dominating its Islamic oppressors. But it was what the future held that the christian armies really brought forth at least in part. That was the west as we know it today. The banking and other system the Christian Crusaders put into place helped the modern west * emerge onto the world stage which has been the proxy king of the world kingdom led by the USA, IMO.

* The first world countries such as Israel the USA and the industrialized EU, Japan etc.

reva

 

Actually what they did was the opposite , follow me on this please!

The Arabs took their bases on arts and sciences by pagans fleeing christians , western Europe got from the dark ages into renaissance by christians fleeing muslims.
You see in the west Europe knowledge was very limited because they didn't had any books , the actual number is below 10 and Carl had to abandon his project for public schools because there was no material to teach. Because the westerners didn't had any books they copied those in existence again and again in order to preserve them.
In the east there were huge collections with tens of thousands of books but because there was so many of them nobody was bother coping them , the big libraries suffered from fires very often and what they used to do was to call for nobles to sent their books as replacement (to be destroyed in another fire) .
After the fall of the eastern Roman empire what people did was to take those books and bring them to the west , now in the west there was tons of books and a big culture of coping them , this moved Europe forward ( and another thing that does not belong to the thread ).
What the crusades (to a degree and if we accept your logic) was to prolong the life of the dying empire and the transfer of knowledge to the west.


Heh , it isn't islamic propaganda to talk ill about the crusades , i am Greek and i do believe crusades were wrong - although the first one was funny
I think we both know the basics of feudalism so we don't have to discuss how getting rid of thousands of people helped Europe to maintain some minimum stability .

 

First we were speaking of the Crusade era at least that is the post you replied to, so your reply (above) is not of the same place on the timeline.

2nd, Maybe you should read a history textbook not self writ. Your opinion is not valid to say the least. Ha ha. Really! First I forgive you because most laypeople think Jewish is a bad word in Christian history. With all due respect thoe type of comments are borne from being under educated, at least concerning theology. They were a necessary cog in the temporal machine we call the universe. Without the Jewish people there would be no Jesus or no Christianity.

As for your comments about Jerusalem, I suppose you think Jesus’ burial ground and the general area where he was crucified and ascended to heaven wasn’t important to Christians....? As far as Constantine goes I love him! Why do you think the most powerful man in on the earth at that time converted to Christianity? He himself may of thought the conversion was for political gain (but I doubt it), and it was, however it was for Gods political gain! Constantine was put in power by God as his hands in the temporal world made Christianity the dominate religion for two thousand years. God also put the USA into its position in t he world to protect Israel. So fate is ordained by God eh?

reva

 

Fate, like 'god', is a nebulous concept invented by superstitious, primitive and ignorant men.

 

Great post...

 

This could be worse if Iran takes over... In fact they will if Obama is in power for another 4 years...

Watch this...

Iran - The Greatest Threat to Western Civilization
http://youtu.be/uhl_GQtdfo8

 

Well I agree with the bulk of your post, especially about the take and give of Islamic and Christian knowledge etc. I respect Islam for its contributions to science and philosophy. There were a lot of brilliant Islamic philosophers and such, and one of my lynch pin arguments that God exists ie the KCA was developed by Islamic philosopher. So yes some books (so called western) were lost but a lot survived in the original form. Of course the bible was not lost and recopied, the accuracy to the original or oldest rendition has been validated by finds such as the dead sea scrolls. However I don’t have time to get too detailed. Thanks for your reply.

 

I love it when those that began the coup beg for help then when they get it they blame their screw ups (such as electing Mongol rIslamic agents to lead them) and the current chaos on those that saved them from sure annihilation in the first place.

reva

 

I presume this is a better post... watch this...

something to think about ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=wq_lhlIn1e0

 

Arabs eh?
At least you try god bless ya‘. As usual your one line reply leaves a lot to be desired! Define Arab? I think you are mistaken but you may be using or defining 'Arab' in a strange 'way'. Let me rant a little history high points of the Christian religion. The first Christians were Jews who lived in Antioch* going all the way back (and skipping a heck of a lot) to Abraham and his Horite people who are the direct ancestors of Jesus Christ.

*(there is no dispute to the Antioch claim but some add a few locations) However lets get back to the Jews of Antioch.

They were then converted into two groups of Christians/Christianity. The first group observed all the old ways and teachings and may be called Orthodox Christians if it happened today, lol. However the other mixed with the Geeks and were ‘Hellenized‘ and may be called my form of Christianity today (somewhat liberal open Christianity, lol). I could go on, it’s an interesting history, but I will say the two groups did not get along so well, and lastly the first Christians (as we understand the word today) were converted Jews not Arabs , again unless you are speaking of a Arab in the genetic woodpile somewhere.

I do not dislike the Arabs but do feel the petro rich among them could do a hell of a lot more to bring a real peace to the middle east including solving the Palestine issue. Its too profitable to them to play we Christian Zionists, Israelis, and the spiritual Jewish people against Islam like some sort of geo- religious chess game, which is a game the Arabs play so well. Heck they invented it!

A pic of a map of Christianity’s birthplace http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/antioch_1912.jpg

reva

 

The Edomites were Arabs. Arabs lived in Samaria since 700 BC.. and in Jerusalem by the end of the Babylonian exile.. Read your Bible.

You just hate the petro rich who have invested in clean water, recharge dams, healthcare, education, communication, power plants, roads, housing and agriculture.

Says a great deal about your contribution and aspirations.

 

Originally Posted by Margot 
Oh bull.... The Christians of Najran were nearly wiped out by the Jewish King of Yemen.. That's why they came under the protection of the Ethiopian Christian king and later under the protection of Muhammed.

Jews and Christians believe in one God the creator. Don't be dense.

There is a HUGE difference between Allah and Yahweh. Allah is not Jehovah God despite, surprisingly so quite a few misguided Muslims, some holding PhD level degrees, that want to further hijack our Christian religion.

reva