Rubio and gang of 8 unveil bipartisan immigration plan.

Goodeledays may need to look up "Posse Comitatus"

 

Well dude...if the present gov't can't seem to handle the problem with the road they have been taking then there is nothing wrong with using our military to control and guard our boarders. Thats what they are there for.

 

Yes, that is a power nobody should want our military to have. They are to fight wars on foreign soil not enforce our laws at home.

 

Well it seems the gov't doesn't want this problem solved. And since this is so then its up to the people to demand action to be taken. And if that calls for our military to gaurd our boarders then theres nothing wrong with it.

 

And you might need to look up the 'CONSTITUTION'. And if you do send a copy to your nitwit leader in the WH.

 

It would be against our law for them to do that. Unless you want martial law imposed and all constitutional protections to be suspended from the people. You should google "posse comitatus" like Gorn suggested.

 

This power is there for the people of the U.S. It doesn't make any difference where the problem is...if it is out of control then using some of our military to bring it back under control then there nothing wrong with it.

 

The constitution is what grant the power to enforce the laws of the union to the militia. To use the military martial law would be declared with the guy in the white house in complete charge.

 

You are mistaken.

The US military exists to defend the nation against invasion.

And that is exactly what is taking place along our southern border with Mexico.

 

We have the power to stop it without using the military. The people in power do not want it to stop. The militia could be called forth. The problem could be stopped with just e-verify and cracking down on employers. Again Washington has never wanted it to really stop.

 

Under our constitution the militia is to enforce the laws of the union, supress insurrections, and repel invasions. To use the military martial law would have to be declared. That would make Obama in complete control no constitution, no other branches of government. If you dislike Mexicans enough to grant that power then we are pretty far apart.

 

You are quoting out of context. My statement is substantiated further in a following post. Nevertheless, I agree that open and free borders and immigration exacerbates the financial positions of social welfare programs.

 

In 2007, only 12 of the 49 Senate Republicans supported Bush on the key procedural vote that determined the fate of his immigration reform bill.

The President was unable to overcome fierce opposition from fellow Republicans who said it was an amnesty that rewarded illegal immigrants. A majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives also opposed the Senate bill.

Radical rightist Republicans were not willing to support a Republican President in 2007. Given the consequences, it will be interesting to see how many can bring themselves to give their bête noire idée fixe whom they seem to fantasize pulls Satan's strings a significant victory now.

They'll sputter and whinge, of course, but political survival will demonstrate that, if they intend to throw their hats into the ring again, they'll be willing to eat them first - and the spectacle of all those sombrero munchers will be absolutely delightful!

Buen apetito, Amigos!




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I love this thread. It just proves that nobody in their right mind likes illegal immigration. The only people who like this are the top 1% that think its a good thing to further depress the wage rate in our country. Unfortunately, that's about 99% of congress. We're in so much trouble as a country, I can't even describe it.

 

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That sounds like a good trade. For the life of me, I can't understand why in the 21st Century we think it's more important to import manual laborers and domestics over people with technical skills. It's bizarre.

 

Well, I understand how you feel. But truth is, our country let it happen....starting way back in the late 70's; early 80's. And there is no way we are going to round up 11 to 20 million people and send them back. It's better to make them pay the fine and get them on the TAX rolls, and put them at the back of the line for working towards their citizenship. AND make our borders tighter.[/QUOTE]


That sounds like 1986.

 

I think what will happen is that Texas will go blue in a decade or so and stay blue. Blacks are one of the most religious ethnic groups in the country, Evangelical Christians. How many are Republicans?

 

Rule of law is soooo 20th Century. Obama has shown us that HE is the law. Why rely on an antiquated Constitution?

 

count them first, what is the exact number, register them, count them, give us the exact number then let us decide, anything less is bad politics.

 

Some Crackpots are clearly alienated from America whose citizens have twice elected Barack Obama their President. The sniveling from that ilk will undoubtedly continue, but its inconsequential.

 

I fully understand what America voted for. The first time they were duped. The second time they surrendered. They have empowered the looters and moochers. They voted for more SNAP, Section 8, and unlimited Social Security Disability Insurance. They voted to steal from the productive while smoking a joint.

We are doomed.

 

Haven't read every post. The clear Conservative position has always been to secure the border FIRST. To stop the bleeding. Rubio seems to favor this. Obama not so much. The devil will be in the details, as the Executive is in charge of enforcement, and we have seen the Obama Admin disregard enforcement where it served them politically, the country be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.

If they do secure the border, I am one of many Conservatives who then is OK with registering every illegal. Deport some, and green-card the rest, with a pathway to citizenship for those who have a qualifying record. I am surrounded by orange orchards. Someone has to pick 'em.

Otherwise, we need to stop the flow of illegals from the south. We need more Europeans and Asians. Folks who don't compete with blacks for record bastard production, or crime stats.

 

Yeah man, can't stand that marijuana isn't a schedule higher than heroin now that Obama's in office.

Oh wait.

 

ironic to see the party of "let's electrify them at the fence" [Cain] "build the dang fence" [McCain] offering up a giant blow job for votes. ironic indeed.

 

IMO, the president is trying to sabotage the whole thing anyway--but writing his own verison and going around trying to sell that one. I was so proud of Rubio yesterday when he came out and stated that it IS the Congress that writes the legislation; that writes the bills. And that it's the president who either signs them or vetoes them. I think the president gets confused on that issue sometimes. He was perfectly willing when they had control of BOTH houses to turn the massive healthcare legislation over to Pelosi and the Dems with no Republican input. However, he's now afraid that the Republicans are going to have too much input here....or get some credit....and that's NOT what he wants.....so he's out writing his own. It's "his way or the highway." He wants to rule it ALL. I heard yesterday that even some Democrats Senators asked him NOT to go out there an demonize the Republicans.....that if he did, he risked blowing the entire thing up. He's done it before, so I don't look for him to follow anyone's advise.