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  1. philosophical

    philosophical Well-Known Member

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    You are right. I introduced leather in post 133.
    I apologise.
     
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    Then again, maybe it's you that's not exceptionally swift. Interglacials last about 15k years and are separated by 100k of glacial advances. Our interglacial is about 11.5k years old, so our glorious warmth should continue for another flourishing 3500 years, but when the glaciers again advance for 100k we are not prepared to preserve our populations and way of life through that.

    The Real Folks Behave Hypocritically On Climate Change Is Because They Want To.

    Are they just stupid?

    “They turn up with unnecessary entourages in helicopters or fast cars and then preach about saving the world, they just don’t seem to be aware that they’re the ones burning huge amounts of fossil fuels.”​

    Blithering horseshit. It’s common knowledge that flying by jet results in significant carbon emissions. Harry and Meghan are fully aware of this.

    Elton John quickly made it all good by quickly purchasing carbon indulgences for Harry and Meghan’s emission.

    They moralize and virtue signal about climate change in order to flaunt their special status.

    Hypocrisy is the ultimate power move, they are not bound by the rules the govern the "commoners."
     
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    I don't know, you aren't striking me a genius material today.

    Sterling soars as Brexit deal hopes rise
     
  4. The Rhetoric of Life

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    But why can't Ireland leave the EU customs union though to save the Good Friday Agreement?

    Make it up to Ireland.
    Let Ireland vote on the EU's hard border or a customs union with UK.
    Have it be written that voting for a customs union with the UK would be voting in favour of the Good Friday Agreement, just saying.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What you are in reality saying is Ireland can either leave the EU or - and this was the other part of it, Westminster will bankrupt Ireland. As has been said more than once, the position of the hard Brexiter's will result in the UK getting no deal with the US. Yes Trump, the King of Israel will say anything to get the UK out of the EU but Trump, the King of Israel is not the US of A.
     
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    You see how Beijing let Hong Kong be free because of finance and banking, why can't Brussels let Dublin have the best of both worlds? New trade customs for the British Isles once UK's out of the EU and EU membership.for Republic of Ireland, to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland built by the EU post Brexit with customs checks in a no deal Brexit from the EU.

    If what I'm suggesting is crazier than King of Israel Trump, then I don't wanna be sane.
     
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    You believe Hong Kong is free? I very much doubt the people living there would agree with you.
    Ireland is a Sovereign country. Ireland decides what it wants to do.
    Well you are the one wanting to follow a man who calls himself the KING of ISRAEL....and by the way also 'the chosen one'.
     
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    UK's a sovereign country, UK decides what it wants to do.
    It wants to have a British customs union open to North America, last I heard this was a United Kingdom, last I heard Boris Johnson leads our government appointed by our head of state (The Queen)... If Ireland want to be a part of that customs arrangement to avoid a hard border, then so be it, like if Ireland want the EU to put up a hard border with customs checks.
     
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    This has nothing to do with the post I answered so I will leave you to it.
     
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    So Ireland can align with UK customs if it wants to, given on what UK wants to do with Boris Johnson and EU and customs.

    If, as you said, countries like Ireland are free to do as they please.
     
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    Your talking mubo jombo. I have never heard Ireland asking to do this. Ireland would need to leave the EU to do this,. Ireland is happy in the EU. I think the mutually agreed result will be a United Ireland. However the DUP will likely fight that. That will end any hope you have with a deal with the US.
     
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    Ireland has prospered in the EU, but under British (mainly English) control Ireland historically has had a miserable existence. Why would Ireland choose to get closer to the British who hate them.
    Recently the British home secretary, Priti Patel, suggested starving Ireland into submission, the Irish won't be unaware of the continued anti Irish attitudes that run deep in the British (mainly English) establishment.
     
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    Ireland has prospered in the EU, but under British (mainly English) control Ireland historically has had a miserable existence. Why would Ireland choose to get closer to the British who hate them.
    Recently the British home secretary, Priti Patel, suggested starving Ireland into submission, the Irish won't be unaware of the continued anti Irish attitudes that run deep in the British (mainly English) establishment.
     
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    Then make en exception possible so Ireland wouldn't have to leave the EU to do this; make Ireland special.
     
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    As I have said, Ireland has made no request to do this.
     
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    There was a border between the two Irelands when Brexit was proposed. The problem was not thought through before the decision to leave the E.U. That is an entirely English problem, not a E.U. problem. It is absolutely absurd for England to expect the E.U. to solve the situation.
     
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    or to demand same of Ireland.
     
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    .. yet.

    In a no deal Brexit, one with the Irish Backstop in the bin and an EU more co-operative, perhaps so? IDK. I can only hope EU and UK see eye to eye on the island of Ireland without denying NI Brexit annexing it for the EU; I'd rather EU break the Good Friday Agreement than annex NI.
     
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    Do you even understand the consequences of breaking the GFA?
    We're already seeing a ramping up of terrorist activities.
    Are you too young to remember bombs blowing up on the Tube?
     
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    Then give Ireland a vote on Brexit customs union with UK opposed to the border the EU (not UK) wishes to erect.
     
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    Ireland does not want to leave the EU.
    If you just set up your own customs union with non-EU members you destroy the single market.
    It's like you just don't think things through...
     
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    Ireland isn't in the Schengen, I'm sure they can have a choice between EU's hard border or UK customs union.
    Since when was Ireland crucial to the single market? Since when wasn't UK not connected to Ireland physically; You talk like Ireland's on the continent and not in the British Isles.
    If something goes from Ireland to France, then check it in France like you would if something came from UK or USA or Australia or China; why keep Ireland in the EU customs union when UK's leaving? The aim is to prevent a hard border on the island of Ireland in accordance to the Good Friday Agreement; how else can there be a Brexit without a hard border in Ireland?

    You don't think much do you @Montegriffo all you see is problems, not solutions.

    The EU's solution is to keep Northern Ireland tied in to EU customs, but then that will split the UK internal market up. This idea was rejected by the UK.
     
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    The leave people did not think about Ireland because they did not care about what happens in Northern Ireland. A United Ireland or renewed civil war in Ireland was fine with them.

    Nicola Sturgeon suggested to Cameron that Brexit should only happen if the 4 countries of the UK agreed to it..that is Scotland England N.Ireland and Wales. He refused. Only England and Wales agreed. Unfortunately England seems to only think of England. It has presented to the British public a deal which cannot work and is determined to take us through it do or die.
     
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    Still, that's what we get for being born in this country; If I were you I wouldn't have student loans. Life isn't perfect, you can't fool yourself; the UK is your country, it has a Queen who has a government of the UK based in City of Westminster in the Houses of Parliament, Parliament Square. You may fool yourself, but that's all you'd be, is a fool, if you didn't understand how the world works and what's going on. In reality, London is the capital of the UK and that's what we are, we're British Citizens, go read your passport and tell me how your citizenship is on paper distributed by the people who own you, own me, own every Brit... If you were to go to USA, or Russia, became a citizen of any of those countries and got an American or Russian passport, under place of birth, it'll just say United Kingdom, no matter if you're born in London or Scotland, it doesn't matter, we're British; get over it.
     
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