Russia 'actively involved' in French election, warns US Senate intelligence chief

Honnestly, for me France start diying in 1940. What happened is probably symptomatic of what could still happens today in France. For a quick remember, in 1940 French succeed having as much tanks than german. They didn't get as much aircraft, but the victory was not impossible. However, their is at that epoch no tank divisions. Generals decided to put the tanks as support of infantry division.
However around 1937, a young colonel alarmed the general staff that this war would be different from WW1 and it would be necessary to have divisions only composed with tanks which could be way more mobile and grant victory. That colonel wouldn't be listened even if he will become later general, the general de Gaulle.

Their is deeply today in France a problem of an elite, a conservative elite, and they are conservative either from left or right, who make any initiative suffocate.

Today, the problem is not our economical problems, it's not our debt, because all those problems can be solved, we are able of that, the problem is our leadership.

Corruption destroy democracy in a even more sure way. When the state is used not anymore to defend the people but the people who rule that state, you can only go in full decadency. The problem is their no morale enough, no respect of the law. People let our elite being corrupted and steal without doing anything. Some people want to revolt, and some people think that le Pen is a solution to our corrupted leaders.

I mean, I don't like that much germany, but two of their ministers cheated on their ph.D thesis and they were fired, in France, guy steal 400 000 euros, and what's the sentence ? Pay 200 000 euros.

 

Exuse me? If I am russian that automatically makes me a right winger? What in the Hell you even know about me, to just come in and assume me being a part of some political agenda on a whim?

Or what, WHAT we are does not matters now for anybody out -


Listen. If I say, that I find this 'concern' being an attempt to use the 'interference of russians' as an exuse for later harrasment of winning party by ones that will loose - that means exactly that, that I consider this 'concern' being a foundation for blaming my country for whichever of parties will win.

If you want to know MY political agenda - feel free having a conversation about it, don't make assumptions. This is an ugly, corrupting habit that ruins critical thinking.

 

You're spewing typical right wing talking points about "running an attractive campaign," which we hear in relation to gerrymandering, and now Russian involvement to slander, skew, misappoint, anyone they disagree with.

Stop. Spewing. Excuses.

This **** has gone on for TOO long.

 

Exactly, it been going for too long. This is how politics work - you persuade people into voting for you, don't expect them to automatically do so. You work with people, you are talking to them, taking their concerns in consideration, make promoses - FULFILL promises - and that way you win - and EARN - the high political ranks. Not by creating a virtual artificial threat with harassing and assaulting a whole other nation just because they fit for the role of your scarecrow because more than a quarter of century ago this nation was part of political block with ideology different from yours and traditionally was considered 'An Enemy'.

If desiring to stop that ludocrous witch hunt, have a civil dialogue between nations and global peace makes me a 'rightwinger' what the fυck are 'leftwingers', then? Satanists, drinking blood of innocent toddlers?

Or maybe we should finally wake the fυck up and remember the human values, values of society we build and such things as presumption of innocence, importance of facts, and inadmissibility of paranoid accusations?

 

That's not how politics works. Look at our elected officials. All of them KILL it in the private sector. Have any of them really had a shitty business before being elected? The democrats and republicans, all of them are worth so much ****ing money, and yet they "settle" for a house, or senate seat, or the presidency, yet are worth how much? They go to YARD dude. They make a killing and then run the country, and everyone wonders why everything is so ****ed up and skewed against the little guy, and why **** like the Panama papers exist.

As for persuading people - no, they INDOCTRINATE people, and then LEGISLATE the opfor.

Authoritarianism on BOTH sides has thoroughly and completely divided this place.

 

Well, that is what you have democracy for. Criticise decidions of government that you consider being wrong, remember that police are humans too, and work on fixing your government, if you consider it being broken.

That does not excuses any accusations towards mine, or trying to put a blame on mine - we're somehow can deal with our politicians ourselves, without a global antirussinism.

 

well, 1) i dont see ww2 as black - white, it was much more complicated , i just want to point if it´d be USA , Stalin´s USSR ´d take over you without a fight , your "resistance" was almost entire communistic (90%?) right? 2) your pop - culture 40-70th was in the top - class, what has happened then? 3) i know about your corruption , but was it always this way , one way or another? some say that its because your state is too old i am watching 24 France, and i am almost 100% sure that France is not pro- Muscovy as medias (specially .ru) tell us , France is pro- Ukrainian(pro- law) , pro - European am i right?

 

Its bs. If Hillary and her army of snowflakes cant deal with internet trolls, what makes you think she could run the country?

Theyre crying cause they lost. They cant admit to themselves, their policies are garbage, so they are desperately attempting to blame a Russian bogieman

 

did she have very own cyber army, CIA , etc? and for sure Hilary has experience, Trump didn´t , that's why Kremlin kleptocracy simply outplayed him , so easily ... with IS, Syria, Ukraine, Oil, Gas and other BS deals

 

me? whats about Georgians, Moldovians, Poles, Jews, Rumanians, Chechens Azaris, circassians, etc.?

 

no shes an lying idiot. her party is making a fool of themselves.

Heres the basic jist.

Hillary is a lying self-serving scumbag.

WikiLeaks reveals emails of her being a lying self-serving scum bag.

Democrats and the mainstream media sycophants blame Russia and WikiLeaks because internet trolls read hillarys emails and revealed Hillary is indeed a lying self-serving scumbag.

So to the democrats in America, Its not actually Hillary being a lying self-serving scumbag, that's the problem, Its the fact her emails were exposed, and the American people found out shes actually a lying self-serving scumbag.

So they cry conspiracy and blame Russia because Americans found out the truth before the election.

That's the scandal...

 

What about you? I am asking you, personally and directly, what is your issue?

 

maybe , but she is (much like Trump) is not a czar (MAN-GOD) , and usa is not a bamboo Khanate, that's why from they first Trumps contact with Kremlin massive thugs he got himself in big , big trouble

 

It aint Russia dude.

Hillary is a neo-con puppet for George soros.

 

i know, but Kremlin thugs got him , they outclassed him, meetings with putin´s banker who are under sanctions, calls to Muscovite embassy , etc. maybe Trumps is a successful property speculant, reality star, etc , but this top- state level a bit out of his league. still i dont say that he is a Muscovite spy.

 

I love watching globalists squirm. Trump and Putin are nationalists and we need more men like them. Multiculturalism is a sick joke and progressives are bolshevik scum.

 

I agree. It's disgusting knowing the progressive left are funded by a Jew who was once a Nazi.

 

We're not going to war with Russia. Forget it.

 

why Putin in this case destroyed all nationalist groups (white) , and pay war - contribution to muslim Chechenes? allowing sharia in his county , Islamic female castration , etc.

 

look like the powerful Senate Intelligence Committee is gonna help to France , am i wrong?

 

Since when Putin is nationalist and is against 'multiculturism'? He is a president of multinational, multicultural state, with more than a hundred various ethnics - that live on THEIR ANTIENT LAND - and have cultures different from the russian.

 

"Since when Putin is nationalist" when he meets European - fascists yes, he is a nationalist and is against 'multiculturism'?

Europe's Far-Right Enjoys Backing from Russia's Putin - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com/.../europe-s-far-right-enjoys-backing-russia...
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13 feb. 2017 - Under President Vladimir Putin, Russia is working to empower Europe's far-right and Eurosceptic parties with offers of cooperation, loans, ...

Why the European Right Wing Loves Putin - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/.../putin.../512303/
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6 jan. 2017 - On both sides of the Atlantic, the push to reset with Putin reflects a desire to ... Farage's take is common among Europe's conservative populists.

Putin's Support for Europe's Far-Right Just Turned Lethal | Observer
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27 okt. 2016 - Western intelligence has known for some time that Vladimir Putin bankrolls significant elements of Europe's far-right. Just as the KGB ...

etc.

 

...and there we go at different end of spectrum...

We are multicultural state, modern state, democratic fυcking state, deal with it already. We do not have the sharia, castration 'etc'. If there is - among 148000000 people in country a few degenerates doing such things - things, that considered being a crime by out Penal Code - that does not makes them legal. Or normal, or acceptable - or, by the way, worth mentioning like that on a whim, as you do, and by the way,

What is your personal issue with my country, or it is something so shameful, that you cannot share it with people there?

 

Get a consistency already. Are you saying Putin pro-nationalism, or anti-nationalism, or you just glue ANY label on him, as long as it gives you opportunity to turn MORE people on him? Because if so - this is called being a 'political whore', I believe - wobbling your views and opinions all around.

 

"We do not have the sharia, castration 'etc"
1)
ANALYSIS-Sharia law threatens Moscow control in Muslim Chechnya ...
www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE67O0S0
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26 aug. 2010 - Kadyrov seen as espousing sharia law in Chechnya * Encroachment of sharia could fuel separatism. By Amie Ferris-Rotman MOSCOW ...
Chechnya: Russia's Islamic State? - WSJ
www.wsj.com/.../chechnya-russias-islamic-state-1464859621 - Översätt den här sidan
2 juni 2016 - ... in secular Russia has been thoroughly 'Islamized' by staunch Putin ... GROZNY, Russia—When a female visitor tried to enter the Chechen


2)
Report On Female Genital Mutilation In Russia Provokes Commentary ...
www.npr.org/.../controvery-erupts-in-russia-over-report-on-fem... - Översätt den här sidan
23 aug. 2016 - Mufti Ismail Berdiev (right) is a religious leader in the Republic of Dagestan. When a report documented female genital mutilation in this ...