Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More money .. more stuff .. but you are conflating technological acumen with ability to buy lots of it. Both sides have good stuff . the Russia-China-Consortia best in class in missile technology -- anti ship - anti air - cruise missile . and so on.

    These drones are messed up - completely changed the battlefield .. got to give the edge to the US in this one .. but, we have not seen the Chinese technology fielded.. and everyone is working on this technology .. which is just gong to get scarier and scarier.

    Bottom line - what is being demonstrated by this war - is that the cost of projecting power has become unacceptibly high .. be it Russia .. or USA - NATO members . whomever.
     
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    OK, well if we are doing 'context' lets do it properly:

    *The US invaded two nations half way around the world, one of them hundreds of miles from the nearest port;
    *In both cases the US was able to completely occupy both nations for a long period of time;
    *For most of the past 20 years the US fought these wars simultaneously plus smaller engagements in Syria;
    *The total number of US deaths over the 20 year period for both wars combined was about 7000.

    For contrast, in only 60 days:

    *Russia has failed to successfully invade a nation with which it shares a long land border lacking any natural barriers to invasion;
    *Courtesy of their prior membership of the USSR transport links such as roads & rail gauges effectively exist as a single system, theoretically assisting logistics;
    *Several major invasion thrusts, including an attempt to take the capitol, have already been withdrawn;
    *Russia has lost somewhere north of 15,000 soldiers, 500 tanks, 2500 other vehicles, 100 aircraft/helicopters, two major ships, 10 generals, several admirals, several ships captains and god knows how many lower ranks.
    *Russian soldiers have repeatedly deserted, abandoned gear & generally failed even basic soldiering in large numbers;
    *Sabotage inside Russia has crippled its chemical industry and damaged logistics dumps close to he border;
    *Ukraine may now have more tanks in theatre than Russia and more than when the war started.

    We haven't even got to the bit of the war where the insurgency begins in earnest - the bit the US couldn't win. Russia may actually lose this without a decent insurgency even having a chance to get going.

    That is 'context', and it makes Russia look like the second rate nation it is.
     
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    More Russian disinformation. Cannot tell me that you are not another Russian mass media troll now.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...accounts-fake-zelensky-cocaine-video-1342178/
     
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    Why expose yourself as a moron and contradict the Chief of the US General Staff in military matters?
     
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    If the Americans and Ukrainians are so called Fascists, what does that make the Russians?

    I would say even worse Fascists being they don't have freedom of speech, imprison anyone who says anything Anti-Putin and invade free nations who never had any intention of attacking Russia. Every nation on earth is Fascist in someones view, but Russia is the worst kind of fascist.
     
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    Sure. I agree we have the world's best military. However. Iraq and Afghanistan are not on Ukraine's level... And they were not getting armed to my knowledge by the world's most advanced military.

    Russia is not on the United States level. They are up there,. But outside of nukes they are not the United States.

    Isis has survived and indured 20 years of the United States trying to eradicate it. And after 20 years of occupation nothing amounted from it because the population didn't want is there.

    If the United States were to try to invade Ukraine I'd suspect that it wouldn't go as easy as it had in Iraq. Especially if they were being funded by am endless stream of the most advanced military equipment the world could offer

    And I give credit to that of the resolve of all Ukrainians.
     
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    Why Russians who has built St. Petersburg and who defended it during WW2 should give it to Sweden which has nothing to do with this city? You talk about something that does not make any sense.
     
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    I do not find your words accurate. They are just full of russophobia. Please, quote me where I said that I supported the invasion of Russia in Ukraine in February.
     
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    The bbc is not news. Its a propoganda site for white nationalists. Just go look at the comments on their pieces, full of right wing extremists.
     
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    You mean like how Sadam and Quadaffi and Malcolm and Martin were murdered by nato/cia. Assassinations happen all the time from both parties, why pick sides on tbis basis?
     
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    Iguess the same reason bush blair etc are still alive. Nobody had the skill to take those warmongers out let alone a man who is merely defending his border. God forbid huh huh
     
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    Russia IS fighting usa in ukraine. You think sending over some ill educated american grunts across the globe to fight a war for russias resources will make a difference lmao
     
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    Give australia back to aborigines then and come back home to uk then. You are a first class hypocrite and colonialist.
     
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    England nor france could destroy usa dont be absurd.
     
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    yes it is...
    Mblau mblau...mwhah mwhah.....
     
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    Unfortunately Ukraine is not funded by an endless stream of the most advanced military equipment the world could offer, not even close.
     
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    If the Ukrainians win, then Washington will have absolute world domination, and the Ukrainians will receive the status of Washington's livestock. Good reward for the winner.
     
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    All world is not like yours, most of the people do not dream to turn other people to status of livestock, as You did.
     
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    They are 100% backing Azov neo nazis.

    Say no more.
     
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    Without Russia, all power will be concentrated in the hands of the Washington clan. The fate of people will be decided in Washington. No man can plan his life.
     
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    Myawn...myawn...Mblau mblau...Mwhah mwhah.....
     
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    Mister Sharikov, as I said, You are making statements of cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity. And stop judge everyone from yourself.
     
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    I just know this will warm your heart because under all that flinty hard exterior you're just a big cuddly wuddly softy....


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    It's not about actions, but about opportunities. If the authorities in Washington will be able to kill you without any consequences for themselves, this does not mean that they will kill you. You will just live with it.
     
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    Propaganda for suckers. The plant has been sealed off for quite some time. It's impossible to get aid in there.
     
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