Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Durandal

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    Babylon conquered and enslaved the people of Judah, didn't they? Sounds familiar.
     
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    George Soros says Russia’s gas storage is almost full — and Europe should hold its nerve
    Published Thu, May 26 20222:16 AM EDTUpdated 41 Min Ago

    Key Points
    • Russian President Vladimir Putin’s bargaining position is “not as strong as he pretends” and Europe has leverage against him, according to billionaire investor George Soros.
    • Russia has recently cut gas supplies to Finland arguing the country is not paying for it in rubles. Bulgaria and Poland also stopped receiving Russian gas supplies a couple of weeks ago.
    • Energy analysts have said that Russia’s targets for gas stocks could be achieved this summer.
    • Energy Aspects’ Leon Izbicki said that Russia lacks flexibility in its gas storage and does not have the means to divert gas from Europe to, for example, Asia due to a lack of pipeline infrastructure.
    ... https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/26/putin-george-soros-says-russia-is-blackmailing-europe-with-gas.html

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    And if they didn't plead guilty, who knows what would have had happened to them. Maybe they would have their eyes taken out - something which shocked the more civilized world like India and China. It was the usual kangaroo court of the criminal regime in Kiev. They just wanted some soldiers to exchange for Russia's neo nazi prisoners.

    Everyone assumed that the loss of 8 helicopter pilots was to save some high level foreign officers in the Avostal. It turns out now, that the lives of the Ukrainian pilots were being sacrificed to save the leaders of the neo Nazi Azov battalion.

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    I'm sure you sports, heard of our courts
    and how we play the junta's game
    of putting all the unfound blame
    on those who we consider lame.

    For having dared to take the chance,
    of not agreeing with our stance
    and thus we're now a mockery
    of lies and sheer hypocrisy.
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    Yah willing.
     
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    As yes George Soros, our Liberal One World Government advocate.

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    ODE TO GEORGE SOROS
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    We cheer you, and praise you
    for all your good works,
    in telling us lowly how we mustn't shirk,
    to pay you the homage that's surely your due,

    for imposing on us your Messianic view.

    For we owe it to you and the righteous and true

    like Blinken and Biden, Victoria too.
    While we head into war, so let's not be deceived
    and give glory to you for all you've achieved.

    - Jeannette
     
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    Why? If Ukraine wanted to remain a unified nation, then they should have done what the Russian Federation did and give each ethic group within it equal rights. But they didn't now did they?

    As specified in the Hague: "Everyone has a right to their own self determination," and it seems the self determination of the people in the South and East is not exactly with the regime in Kiev.
     
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    Aggressors always love the perpetrator-victim-reversal method. :(

    BTW, to hell with Ruzzia. The world doesn't need a failed pseudo-country and its evil dictator, created by the fall of communism. Ruzzia should be abolished and its territories placed under UN administration (for now). :)
     
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    It's not up to the people. Comrade Pooteen would like to bring these areas "home to his Ruzzkie-Reich". But the people there just want to live in peace and freedom.
     
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    Instead, they are being forcibly relocated into remote places in Russia. The orcs are depopulating the occupied areas of Ukraine as part of their colonial annexation.
     
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    Can't have opposition you see....Russkis demographics is in big trouble.
     
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    Doubleplusgood! They can help replace all those young, talented Russians who are leaving in droves.
     
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    All ethnicities in Ukraine have equal rights.
     
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    Most 35 yrs and under in Mafialand would leave ....tomorrow....for brighter prospects elsewhere.

    Those 65 yrs +.....dream of bread lines, Pravda, and old re runs of Lenin/Stalin.
     
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    But the regime in Kiev didn't want them to live in peace and freedom. They wanted to ethnically cleanse them so they could change the demographics to remain in power. Why do you think the people in the South and East were being tormented by the neo Nazis from Western Ukraine?

    Not that it matters, all the lies in the world won't change the reality on the ground. The German Nazis were eliminated in WWII, and the Galician Nazis will be gone also - as will their ISIS soulmates from the Middle East. Same evil! No difference!

    And yet we support them both, which doesn't say much for us now does it?

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    Birds of a feather,
    will fly together,
    up in the yonder sky.

    Yet while the nobles soar high,
    the wicked just die.
    Too bad!
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    ..well...its a glib soundbite but there's a lot of truth there.....certainly the Russian officer corps are expecting a long war now, but don't really know yet what their war aims are other than pushing at various points on the map. One thing for certain is that they want more than the Donbas as reward for the losses they've sustained (hold that thought a moment). From nuanced point of view look at Alekseev of the GRU, he has now been put in charge of the intelligence operation with the FSB chief, Beseda having been arrested....which is sort of unfair because Putin's initial basis was for a political operation; kill Zelensky install a puppet...blah blah...and the rest would follow as it were. Which incidentally was one of the tactics for the FSB's continued "Nazi" narrative for the build-up over the years (it's a political narrative)...anyway let's skip that as its a known bone of contention. The messages coming out of the Kremlin information Czars have been confusing as well, remember everybody started talking about Transnistria than all the waffle about tactical nuclear weapons, its just been a confusion of jumbled messages by a floundering FSB trying to prop up Putin. This will likely change I reckon now the GRU is in charge of the message and what will likely happen is the home media will start making up stories hoping they are following the party line (you should also see the Nazi narrative disappear now (not from here obviously as its the thread white noise) but just look at what the likes Vladimir Kvachkov has been saying (and the Army respect the crap of him specially since he tried to kill the "arch enemy" Chubais))

    But as you say Putin has come round to the fact that this is now a long war so your thoughts on 2 years may well be valid. Which is an issue as the Russian Officer corps are probably on a crossroads in terms of their tactical thinking. Their viewpoint has always been that the Russia army could win a war against the "west" not because of equipment or technology or whatever but on the basis that they were prepared to sustain heavier losses than for example the US...the US folks at home like short wars as long as everything is going well but then when they see body bags start coming off the planes in ever increasing quantities they cave...that's the sort of thinking behind it. The trouble is they've hit a hybrid situation that they were not prepared for. They are now effectively fighting "Russians" but on a "westernised" basis; this opposition is likewise prepared to take heavy casualties (and is fully mobilised as well unlike the Russians who are not fully committed) and additionally they have an enemy using western tactics and now ever more superior western equipment.

    .....This is an issue for the Russian Officer corp because of Putin's massive miscalculation in that its has gone from a simple political solution (Plan A) with limited forces and absolutely no contingency planning to a full on conventional war (Plan Z). So going back to your comment...
    ...there is no real plan on the board at the moment, as Putin's out of his depth, but there is certainty within the upper echelons of the military the view that wiping out Ukraine is what they want..and that puts them at odds with Putin's parochial micro-managing political sideshow. Going back to the intelligence changes (FSB / GRU) the change in the dynamics and duration of the war has caused issues in interior of Russia; Plan A scenario was not supposed to highlight deficiences (short and swift) and blunders like the loss of the Moskva didn't cause much in the way of a stir in Moscow but the decimation of a BTG at the Siversky Donets River last week has. Pro-Russian military bloggers and Telegram users are now asking questions about casualties and why they are occurring and why nobody is being made responsible. They are also demanding to know what is the military plan and how is the war going to be prosecuted...this is not what Putin signed up for, he's used to small time power plays on the political front like pulling Trump's strings that sort of garbage, however, he's in a full on meat grinding long term war and that takes it out of his little patch.

    Let's see how it all plays out anyway. One thing is certain though and that is Telegram is starting to make itself known as its the first war in Russia that is being played out outside of the official channels and the pro-military bloggers are asking a lot of difficult questions. Public oppinion is still very much supportive of the war...the coffee shops are still open in Moscow and you can still go the the cinema, prices are rising but so what...let's wait until after summer is over when the sanctions have just about started to bite...lets review this then and see where they stand and how supportive of Putin's little war they are.
     
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    Got it all backwards again .. as been pointed out to you a number of times .. by numerous posters.. do you not see the error of your ways mate .. get the to the correction hall.. get this issue fixed up quick.

    Dat's right Jen .. the Azov Fascists persecuting the people .. Vlad a liberator to the oppressed people .. now them Azov Nazi's getting some well deserved push-back. Vlad helping out the persecuted peoples ..
     
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    Oh! Then the people in Western Ukraine who are not being killed and attacked, are considered refugees. But the ones in the South and East who are being attacked and whose homes are being destroyed by the neo Nazis, are not leaving willingly - something they have been doing since 2014. Instead they are being forcibly removed.

    That's a good one.

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    A Pooteen disciple wants to convert me to his religion. Will he succeed? :D
     
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    No worries D .. George's buddy and your beloved Vlad goona be just fine .. "The New Silk Road" India China can take all the gas Russia can give them... Short term supply gluts will be resolved .. specially since Afghanistan energy corrodor to new silk road - now open for business mate. Troops are gone .. no one blocking anymore ... Pipelines under construction.

    The ones with the big "worry" are Nations having to pay 400% more for gas.... Vlad making nothing but money mate .. at these prices he only has to sell 25% of the gas.. to make the same money ... coffers being filled with loot .. root a toot toot..

    So .. "Im afraid my young skywalker" the much hoped for sanctions will not be comming to the rescue ..
     
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    Antifascism has always been a western brand.
    We'll also defeat Ruzzian fascism, as usual. :)
     
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    Most of the world feels that way about USA.
     
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    The US never played the victim card.
    Such strange and false behavior is reserved for rogue states like Ruzzia. :(
     
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    There are a few things I want to get off here. I can't say that Ukraine will win, and I can't say that Russia will win. There are those of you that favor Russia over Ukraine, and then there are those of you that favor Ukraine over Russia. You got to give Zelenskyy credit for staying in there fighting back. He's not one of those that is going to flee to another country just like that.

    I don't know where you get the idea that the USA and UK are the ones fighting Russia when It's Ukraine that is in the battles. Do you see any U.S. of U. K forces in the fight? You don't do you? One more thing, Yes I do get it. and Maybe you don't. It looks like you want Russia to win and Russia will have Ukraine merge with Russia and Putin will take away the democracy, freedom and all else that comes with the territory. Putin will insert his dictatorship into Ukraine and make the remaining Ukrainians follow those rules or suffer severe consequences. If that's what you want to see happen, so be it. There will be those that will disagree with it. I myself will remain neutral at this time. That's all I'm going to say for now.
    Ukraine still has the chance to fight back and that's all I'm going to say for now.
     
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    Mafialand feels that way....not everybody.
     
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