Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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    Russians are welcomed to Lysychansk by civilian population. The Ukrainian army has been trying to force the civilian population to leave. Shameless bastards.

    The Russians are our friends': The civilians refusing to evacuate Ukraine's Lysychansk

     
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    Indeed
     
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    Nobody gives a **** about a fake, conjured up default. The West are the only dumbasses that think if you don't allow someone to pay you interest on loan, then they've defaulted. No, it's the dumbass that has defaulted by breaching the contract in the first place.
     
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    This post will score you a bonus in Moscow, Bill.
     
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    Now that is a bold prognostication --- that much I will give you -- all the same .. boldness will not stop folks from laughing at you in a few hours when your prognostication turns out to be wrong .. laughing more default doesn't happen in a few days .. and harder if not in a few weeks .. .. thanks for the laugh in any case :applause::cheerleader::banana:

    That said .. I liked your "Whores for War" piece .. keep up the good work !
     
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    That's fine. I want you to remember the end of next week when this talk of default is no where to be found. Those bondholders will take payment in rubles and then convert to whatever currency they want and there's not a damn thing you or the USG can do about it.
     
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    Found in a pile of 10 bodies burnt to a crisp in Azovstal. Can you guess who burnt them?

    Mercs learn the hard way who they are fighting for.

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    More Americans and Poles about to go bye bye

     
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    That
    That book is a selve serving piece of ****. I still have my fathers, with he remarks written on the side, top or bottom of the pages.
    To say that the Rittmeister was furious is a mild understatement.
    My father served the entire war at the East Front, 11 times wounded, 53 days of hand to hand combat ( Nahkampf Spange in Gold) and had 5 tanks to his credit. Rittmeister = Major, Battalion Commander.
    One of the most repeat comments by my father, glat gelogen, flat out lie.
     
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    Interesting. Could you be more specific? What parts did he disagree with the most? What book did he believe was the most accurate description of the war?
     
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    Well those members of the General Staff who believed that (if any really did) were wrong. Because Hitlers Admirals were telling him they couldn't secure or guarantee control of the channel for sufficiently long to let the invasion proceed and the Luftwaffe were telling him that up till then Germany had not been able to wrest control of the air over the channel and the South Coast of England from the RAF. Challenge the RAF for control yes, secure it no. And if the same state of affairs had existed in June 1944? D Day would not have proceeded either. It is a central tenant of military planning that seaborne invasions will fail unless the attacker has managed to secure (at least temporary) control of the approaches to the landing points and the sky above them.

    As a matter of historical fact that in 1974 a war game was organized at Sandhurst for the express purpose of modelling the invasions chances of success. The game was involved both computer simulations and human game play was organized and run in accordance with military protocols for such exercises at the time including the use of of a panel of neutral judges who arbitrated contented outcomes. The result was a disaster for the Germans for 2 key reasons;

    1) Germany didn't have the sea lift capacity to transport and supply a large invasion force.
    2) As modeled most of the German losses occurred in transit (most casualties were drownings).

    It is also fact that almost all military historians, then and today give the operation little to no chance of success.
     
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    Heinz Guderian said Manstein was the Wehrmacht's finest tactician.
     
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    Russian child killers are at it again.

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    Russian missiles hit Kyiv as G7 summit begins in Europe


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    Ukraine war: Missiles hit targets across country as G7 rallies over Russia

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    Russia-Ukraine Latest News: June 26, 2022

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    If there is a system that can stop all of Russia's missiles, Ukraine really ought to have it yesterday.
     
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    The future is dark for Russia.
    Ukraine Suffers, But Putin, and Russia, Will Be the Loser

    Alexander Motyl, LA Times

    ". . . In a word, Russia is alone, facing an armada of politically, militarily and economically powerful states. Were Russia a modern superpower, it might be able to resist for a very long time. But Putin’s Russia is a third-world country with the bomb. Russia’s GDP pre-sanctions was smaller than that of Texas. Once the sanctions, along with the outmigration of Russian millionaires and professionals, do their worst, Russia’s GDP will be even smaller and its economic woes and difficulties funding the war greater.

    The Russian army, once vaunted as the second best in the world, has shown itself to be mediocre. The billions that went into its supposed modernization appear to have been purloined; its approach to warfare remains mired in the mid-20th century; its tanks are old, and its missiles are running out. . . . "
     
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    He was white washing himself, the Great Marschal of the Army. Blamed everybody for the failures, even if it was his plans that failed. Always found a reason to blame somebody else
    He was the honorable officer, the one with the great plans.
    BS, he was a war criminal, who ordered German troops to support the crimes of the NAZI. He failed in providing his Armies the proper supplies, from clothing, to food to, weapons, ammo and so on.
    He was great in the sandbox, troops here and troops there, but had no idea in what conditions the troops were and did not give a crap about them. He was hated by his soldiers, arrogant selfserving SOB, who caused 100,000s of soldiers killed by his stupidity, arrogance and his I do not give a shiit attitude towards his soldiers.
    My father hated that man and for good reason, because he was 1 of his soldiers.

    Good books, there a hundreds out there. My father's WWII library had about 200 books, with all his remarks on the pages.
    My father wanted to find a answer, for what had happened to him, his brothers, sisters and my mothers brother and to her, they had been all soldiers and all of them had been wounded at least once and 60% of them were killed. Which totaled in my familly, out of 14, 8.
    Did my father find the answer he was looking for, NO
     
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    They are both of the so called German royal military.
    The blue line of Generals, blue blood, so to speak
    Guderian would never talk down, or be honest about his cast.
    They all supported Hitler, all the way, because their military cast profited. They would not crap in their own bed.

    Manstein should have been hanged besides besides Goering, for the war crimes he ordered.
     
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    I'm no one's defense attorney, least of all German generals.
     
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    Goering wasn't hanged... But that's unimportant here. Did your father support the clean Wehrmacht narrative? Also, what about the outbreak of the war? Did his feelings change over time? I assume so.
     
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    Sorry but your answer is non factual. Please do some research. After the defeat in France the British managed to evacuate almost 340,000 soldiers. The British Expeditionary force that landed in France at the start of the war totaled some 390,000 men and women. About 198,000 of those troops made it back to England via Dunkirk and other less well known evacuations as did another 140,000 mostly French soldiers.

    What was serious was the loss of heavy equipment particularly tanks, trucks and artillery and artillery, all of which had to be left behind. However conscription had already been introduced and by June 1940 some 1.6 million troops were underarms, some partially, some fully trained (including those saved at Dunkirk). And by the time Sea Lion was ready to commence September 1940 ALL of the rescued troops had been fully rested and re-equipped with their then standard TOE of light weapons, machine guns, mortars and anti-tank guns. The only shortages being in heavy artillery and tanks, although even these losses were rapidly being replaced.

    Fact - Britain produced nearly 1400 new tanks in 1940, and that's on top of the tanks already in service and not sent to France. That's more Germany managed to produce in the same year! Now contrast those numbers to the 250 tanks the Germans proposed to send as part the initial landings of Sea lion, these being all they had managed to convert for beach landings by the beginning of Sept 1940. That was just enough to equip one division and no more could arrive until/unless the Germans managed to capture (and repair) a sea port.

    Then look at the number of troops proposed for the operation. The initial landing force was to be (from memory) of about 400,000 men!. Yes, that's right 400,000. And why was that? Because at the time the Germans could only manage to raise enough sea lift to move and sustain that many troops and all the related equipment. Germany had about 170 cargo ships & 1500 invasion barges assembled for Sea Lion. And the (river) barges were the backbone of their transport operation for the invasion because the German's couldn't move more merchant shipping into the the Channel Ports where they were needed, not while the British Navy blockading the Baltic and sitting in Gibraltar. Then compare those figures to the Allied invasion of Normandy where 6000 ships of all sizes, (not barges) were assembled to support the Allied operation.

    So please do some research and stop dreaming about 'what if's'. Both the German Navy and the Air Force advised Hitler that Sea Lion was not achievable in the time frame demanded. After reviewing the figures most of the Germany Army staff involved in planning the operation agreed with them. That is matter of record - you can look the quotes up yourself.
     
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    If the Germans had dedicated all their manpower and resources to defeat Britain ( instead of attacking the Soviet Union ), Britain would've been defeated. It's that simple.
     
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    OK then prove it, don't just say it. I gave you the facts and figures. You show me how Germany would have succeeded? Whats Germany going to do with 2,000,000 plus soldiers on the French Coast? Build a bridge to England? The Kreigsmarine had 2 battleships, 2 battle cruisers, 4 light cruisers and about 10 destroyers about the time the invasion was to start. The British Navy on the other hand had 14 battleships and battle cruisers at its disposal at the same time plus something like 60 other cruisers and 170 or so destroyers. Does anyone else see a slight problem there?

    You think Germany could have destroyed GB, or rather forced it to surrender? OK fine, over a how many years? And not forget the the US is only 15 months away from entering the war, so the clock is ticking. You think Hitler could succeed before then? OK fine, lay it all out - in detail.
     
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