Russia demands NATO guarantee that Ukraine will not be allowed to join alliance.

There were several such incidents.
https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-trending/iraqi-soldiers-surrendered-hovering-apache/

And a surrender to a UAV as well.
https://www.suasnews.com/2012/04/aai-rq-2a-pioneer-first-uav-to-accept-a-military-surrender/

 

Thousands of Iraqis spotted the American helicopter flying NOE and ran towards it with their hands up. Obviously the aircraft couldn't accept their surrender so they called back for assistance. Gees, some of this i pretty obvious.

 

Iraqis even tried to surrender to a UAV... https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-03-02-1991061100-story.html

 

2 soldiers have surrendered to a helicopter! Two! Not thousands! If the surrender of just 2 soldiers is newsworthy the surrender of thousands would be a sensation everyone has heard about. This means it most likely happened only in the imagination AARguy.

 

Well one possibility is he misremembers it or even heard an inaccurate version originally.

But I think there were several such instances. So don't discount the possibility that I just linked to an article about a different event.

 

First, you imply that Iranian Monitor doesn't know enough about the War in Iraq because he never heard of this incident. Then you say there is no mention of it on the internet so we have to believe you because you witnessed it. Seems like incredible stories no one has ever heard of except for you just keep multiplying.

 

I assume that you couldn't tell an M16 from an M11 and have probably never even MET a Soldier... your opinion is a bit "tainted".

 

I never implied anything. Your imagination runs wild a bit, doesn't it? Oh, that's right, libs accuse anyone with a different view in many "implied" ways. We get it.
So sad.... we've gone from "be careful what you see on the internet, a lot of it isn't true" to "If its not on the internet it can't be true" in such a short time.

 

This is the difference
There is no need to be a military expert to see that you make things up just because you are bored and want to draw attention to your persona. The last time it was Iranian ships planning on exploding nuclear weapons off American shores. When asked where you got this information from you suggested I read the Koran. Now when asked why should we believe you in the incredible story of whole divisions surrendering to a single chopper you say that I should learn about m16 and m11 rifles.

 

I am sorry that your only knowledge of the military comes only from the media. Do you seriously believe EVERYTHING is reported on the internet? Really? Everything I say is true. The ONE Iranian ship that was potentially set to attack America (the KHARG) was fully reported in "Inside the Pentagon". It was recently sunk from a mysterious fire that smells of a clandestine operation. (That IS on the internet.) I told you to read the Koran so would you could understand the religious reasons for muslim conflict, not anything directly to do with the Kharg. I did not say that learning the difference between an M16 and an M11 would offer any insight into the helicopter incident. I said you obviously do not know anything about the military, even trivial things like the difference between an M11 and an M16. I am obviously correct. You said that the M11 and the M16 are both rifles. The M16 is a rifle. The M11 is a vehicle decontamination device. So I was right.
Try to stick to what you know in the future, you know, things like Joe Biden's shoe size, Kamela Harris' dentist and gay rights. You sure don't know anything about things military.

 

Although I'm sure you won't accept this from me, fully convinced you understand the mindset of Iran's political or clerical leadership when in fact your views are utterly ridiculous and devoid of any insight (clueless would be an understatement), but I really wish you too would stick to issues you have some genuine experience and knowledge. Such as military issues. But, alas, last time I tried to gently let you know you were clueless about Iran, you assured me you knew what you were talking about because some guy in Iraq had told you this about the Iranians.

I am Iranian -- I lived and worked in Iran until recently. I am a lawyer who has had occasion to work on expert testimony from some of Iran's highest ranking shia clerics (grand Ayatollahs) and am very fluent (even expert) on Iranian politics, foreign policy, and related issues. But are you going to accept what I would have to say about Iran? Of course not. And I have learned to just laugh when I come across views such as yours about Iran and smile at the fact that someone who can engage in debate about nuclear fusion can be so utterly and hopelessly clueless (yet so dogmatically opinionated) about what Iranians/and or Iran's leadership think.

 

My cardiologist is Iranian. Good guy. Escaped the crazy mullahs just in time. But... Iran is a rogue nation and a sponsor of worldwide terrorism according to the US State Department: https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2019/iran/

 

Let's all give a warm welcome to John Bolton...back on the forum. If NATO (the US) is so dumb to cross the line in Ukraine...that they are stepping on right now...we'll see if the public thinks the same as you when the body bags start being flown back to the West. And there will be lots of them. The fiasco in Afghanistan will look like a picnic.

 

Afghanistan was not a fiasco. U.S. losses there were minimal. And Americans have a lot stronger tolerance for fatalities in a war than you think.

 

You honor me. Mr. Bolton is excellent on foreign policy.

How would body bags be coming home to us when all we will be doing is giving weapons to the Ukrainians to fight with?

Fiasco? Do you mean when Mr. Biden pulled us out for no good reason?

 

At least there was a Northern Alliance before the American invasion. Now after the fall of Panjshir Valley even that small refuge from the Taliban rule has disappeared. If that is not a fiasco I don't know what is.

 

Iran can be classified as you wish -- and you can say what you said about how the US government labels Iran (which is accurate in terms of relaying the labels given to Iran by the US). That is all fine.

My family also immigrated to the US in the wake of the Iranian revolution. That is where I went to junior high, high school, college and law school. And I practiced law in the US for more than a decade before I moved back to Iran. And then I lived and worked in Iran for more than a decade, including on international arbitration cases that involved Iranian state entities. Some of the cases were high profile enough to get me a first hand look at the workings of the upper echelon of Iran's government, including Iran's Supreme National Security Council (which had direct oversight on a couple of those cases). As that song goes, I have seen Both Sides Now.

I am not here to tell you what you should think about Iran. But while Iran is a big, complex, complicated, country with over 2,500 years of history, where you might find some validation for practically anything you might wish to say about it, some of the things you imagine just fall outside of anything you might find there. In fact, if you ask me, the best generalization I can find for Iran politically would be as follows: a self-styled leader of the axis of resistance to US/Israeli hegemony in the ME, which did (against all odds) make some progress to live up to its pretensions, but ultimately too jaded and corrupt to be able to successfully withstand the collective pressures against it both from within and without, making it liable to bend enough to even break. I hope it succeeds, though, since the huge price Iran has paid since the Iranian revolution (which I didn't support even as a young teenager) would have been mostly in vain. And Iran breaking is pretty much the last thing I want.

 

I think the "Pink Revolution" in Iran says it all. Dress as you are told. Now THERE is freedom at work. And DA BIG BAD USA garbage grows old as it identifies folks that bring it up for what they are.