Russia kills its F-35 Killer

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  1. st256

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    I already understood you have no any evidence that Russia interfered in your election. Stop repeating the same thing, please.
     
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    There is a ton of evidence. FORENSIC evidence and counter-intell evidence. Apparently you are completely unaware of how a real legal system works.

    I suggest you get a better whatever language is your first and English. Then reverse look up the definition of evidence.

    I suggest you stop repeating bullshit, please.
     
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    Let's see the indicted Russians come stand trial, then. Let justice be served.
     
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    That just ain't gonna happen and realistically can't be used as an argument because no nation on earth would extradite one of its soldiers for simply operating under orders.
     
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    Dogfighting is a relic of the past. The vast majority of plane to plane combat today is beyond visual range. With the stealth and identification abilities of newer American fighters, Russian planes will be dead before they ever know they're in a fight.
     
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    http://pogoarchives.org/labyrinth/11/09.pdf
    That, and WWII radars can detect "stealth" planes.

    The F-35 is a piece of crap, and here's one of the reason why: The plane just can't stay in the air - they have a horendous filght-to-maintenance ratio... It's a diva. How do you train pilots with an aircraft that always on the ground? A good pilot in a mediocre plane will beat a mediocre pilot in a good plane.
     
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  7. Thedimon

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

    I’ll trust that guy more than you any day. F-35 works and does what it’s supposed to do.
     
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    I heard that some of them did fly. Doesn't make it a good plane.

    Just get the opinions of Marines, who will be stuck with it for aerial cover - with its delicateness and diva manners.
     
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    Well, maybe it will fly better soon.
    What’s your background? You like to pose as someone who knows military a lot.
     
  10. MVictorP

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    Autodidact (got lots of time, and curiosity) - My main fields of interest/expertize (hah!) is WWII shipbuilding techniques and navies and the Burma campaign in general. But I like to dabble in about every military matter, from Alexander to Schwarzkopft. I never served in the military myself. =)
     
  11. Thedimon

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    Which means that your assessment of F-35 is nothing but assessment of an amateur.
    Other nations are willing to pay very good money for that plane. I’m a finance guy, I know money. If someone is willing to drop so much cash at something that’s an indication to me that they did their research and they want it bad enough to pay for it so much.
    Dollars never lie. That’s something I learned through my life experience. I’m sorry, not trying to insult you, but if so many analysts in other countries gave a green light to this acquisition then the plane is probably more than a diva piece of junk, as you assessed.
     
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    I doubt many Russian customers - not even NATO seems to want them.
     
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    Netherlands, UK, Turkey, Italy are not members of NATO?
     
  14. MVictorP

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    Like I've wrote, I can see no reason why a foreign country would buy this lemon unless somehow coerced into it. Canada (my country) won't buy them anymore.
     
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    Well, maybe Canada doesn’t have much use for these planes. UK, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, Israel and others are buying. And there must be a reason for them to buy. Your BS about being coerced to buy makes no sense - these countries have their own militaries with their own analysts, without their approval there is no way they would buy these planes.
     
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    Comparing the 1950's technology to today is not an argument for much.
     
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    That was not his point.
     
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    And the main fighter of the USAF is not the rediculous F-22 and not the crappy F-35 ,,, but are the F-15 and the F-16 jets, as well at the Navy and Marines the F-18 ... all same way based on original A version from the 1970's ... So what now?
     
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    Russia has around 250 modern air superiority fighters : Su-27M / Su-35 MiG29 & Su-35S

    Us alone has around 200 F-22's & 500 F-18 super hornets (that was a compleet redesign) & 250 F-35's with orders to buy 2000 more. Again only normal russia doesnt invest in modern fighter planes, its pointless. Whatever they have can counter any threat (besides the US) and whatever they could build still wont make any difference against NATO or the US.
     
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    Lol ... alone from the SU-27 and SU-35 family have the Russians 470 jets ...
     
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    Not active, but OK those still are from the 70's and those still dont match up what the US has from a lot more modern planes now let alone in the next decades when the replacement program is running.

    Russia now has no modern replacement program. Its left with the mig-35 thats still basicly the mig-29 where some parts have been upgraded.
     
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    Your F-18's aren't active either. Or modern.
     
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    Misconception! They are just as up to date as the already mentioned by me F-15,16 and 18 of the United States. Just because the maiden flight was part of the 1970's does not mean that the planes are still on the stand ... nor the US jets! Of course, the USA is ranked number 1 with a total of about 2,700 aircraft of all types, followed by China with just under 1,800 and then in third place is Russia with a good 1,600 aircraft of all types.
    In terms of operational readiness, that in Russia is as high or low as in the US and any other country.

    We can talk endlessly about airplanes ... but one important difference is that the US puts the clear focus on Beyond Visible Range with around 2/3 of the fighting ability in the air combat, the Russians and most NATO members only about 50 % and the dog fight also a high importance to measure. Any rating that makes more sense, you can throw in the bin because irrelavante personal view.

    Another misconception the surprisingly many Americans cherish this alleged total superiority of their weapons ... then justified by the Gulf War in 1991 and 2003, as well as the war in Kosovo, where the United States dominated the airspace. What a feat ... ridiculous to derive a superiority out of it.
    In 1991 were about 70% of the Iraqi Air Force equipped with aircraft types where the simultaneous opponent was in the US, the F-4 Phantom and the F-104, but no F-15, 16 18! Apart from that, the training of the Iraqi pilots was not that great either ... Iranian Pilots were far better in the long war before between Iran and Iraq.
    And the Serbian Air Force in Kosovo War was so big that US Navy alone has about 5 times more jets.
    Even so, the same Mig-29 where Tukey Shooting was in Iraq, suddenly became damn dangerous jet. A Serbian MIG 29 not only managed to dodge 4 (!!!) AIM -120, but then launched the simultaneous counterattack on a USAF F-15E and 2 Dutch F-16s and seriously threatened to be shot down (it only prevented that NATO pilot training and the class of pilots!).
     
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    The USA didn't dominate the airspace in Kosovo.
    It was contested at all times.

    Apache was withdrawn. Stealth bomber shot down.
    Serbian air force flew everyday of the war.
     
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    Funny and total BS of course.

    Anyway it was about modern planes and with this cancelation russia simply has no curent gen planes anymore.

    All it has are updated 3-4 or 4.5 gen planes .
     

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