Russia masses heavy firepower on border with Ukraine

From 1996:
"This very destabilizing trend in Russian policy will almost certainly be reinforced and accelerated should the United States depart from the 1972 ABM Treaty and seek to achieve a national missile defense capability.

"Even more certain to exacerbate Russia's dependence on nuclear weapons and to prompt a reversal in the 1991 initiatives is NATO expansion. Indeed, it is hard to imagine a Western initiative better conceived to assure the redeployment of Russian tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, as well as on ships at sea and on tactical aircraft. Under such circumstances, Europe could experience a new arms race involving those nuclear weapons most susceptible to unauthorized use, theft, and accident. "
I think the Russians made a threat after Gulf War One they would respond with tactical nuclear weapons against the closest NATO installation if US smart bombs were ever used against Russian forces; if so, the new cold war could warm up.

http://cns.miis.edu/reports/pot_japn.htm

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/11/20/could-russias-new-nuclear-weapons-win-world-war-iii/

 

I completely agree with you and you can also add that whatever army Russia has it's completely demoralized and incompetent (with the exception of special forces perhaps),the equipment is broken, stolen and poorly maintained, just a tiny part of it is in working condition.


My comment was with respect to the budget number comparison only.... Of course when they can grab all 18-19 year old boys in the country to serve for 1-2 years for free their military budget looks artificially low.

 

But the rest of the world is building while we cut forces....

 

Not actually. We are building 3 carriers even though we have 12 on the high seas. We also have 12 more that we started hulls on, but held up building. 12 now, 3 almost at sea trial, 12 more we need to finish (but may never), and 56 that we decommissioned but never sank/destroyed. While it would take a ton of naval personnel to float 83 aircraft carriers; the point remains that Russia has 1. That's right - 1 old funky carrier. They had 2; but they sold the crappier of the pair to China. So now China has one old funky 30 year old carrier, and Russia has one. ROFLMAO. And we could talk about battleships! We have some serious battleships in the reserve fleet; like the USS Wisconsin in Norfolk. I was on her - those 16" guns are beyond awesome. We pounded Iraq with those. We could pound anyone with those. The devastation caused by a shell the weight of a Humvee is beyond compare - its demoralizing for the enemy. It makes craters that you would think came from a meteor.

 

And the BBC is funded by Britain. So what, RT still give news, while the Western corporate news gives us only their conclusion of the news. I mean they can't upset Washington you know, and have their licenses revoked.

 

We are forced to pay a license fee to watch their propaganda.

 

I love your alternate reality. How about waking up Rip Van Winkle, this is 2015 not 1993. It's Putin's army out there, not Yeltsins.

 

They're experts at deception though. They must have a 'spin' training school.

 

Have you seen the demographic composition of the BBC Trust who are supposed to bring the corporation to public account and scrutiny and to maintain the ethos of - wait for it - "impartiality"?

Well, it's made up of top lawyers, leading business people, industrialists and the like - you know a real representative sample of the British population as a whole.

 

Putin has enough problems, trying to protect his lands from the Washington and corporate thieves now, so why would he want more?.

 

Yes you do girl.

Same conscription army in same old corrupt environment, anyone with money or connections finds a way to dodge the draft. It's Russia's poor, dumb, incompetent, ethnic minorities and social outcasts who end up conscripted by the Russian military and they are as demoralized, incompetent, abused and hopeless as ever

 

No doubt another "training exercise".

Hillary's reset button worked out so well.

 

So Proud You Are -
The measure of a Nation & It's citizens, seems to be the measure of it's Military Genitals
...............................................................................................to so many of you Patriotic people
............................................................................................... While spiritually So pubescent, so puerile so small


What you have is a large fleet to very large coffins that fit over 2000, people
Supercarriers became a very expensive anachronism with the advent of
Missile Technology - The Pentagon is living in the past in order to maintain
their Bloated Offence budget allocations -


Supercarriers
are Obsolete, if ever caught in a real conflict they will quickly become History

US Navies Big Mistake – Building Supercarriers
. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/th...cb42029b8?mc_cid=b5de11f0a9&mc_eid=e6abc0251e


The Carrier Invulnerability Myth
http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2010-01/fortress-sea-carrier-invulnerability-myth



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If Putin does something stupid again....the U.S. and Canada will flood the Oil Market again to such an extent Oil will fall below $40 a Barrel.

That will anger all those PUTIN BUDDIES who own and control those SUPPOSED STATE OWNED OIL COMPANIES!!!

State Owned......HA!!!

I don't think any average Russian Families are seeing a single DIME coming from those STATE OWNED OIL AND GAS COMPANIES!!!

Putin and his KGB Buddies are stealing Russia's Oil Wealth!!!

AboveAlpha

 

BWAHAHAHA. Some guy named Dave Wise wrote on his blog on Medium.com so it must be true. BWHAHAHAHA

Good luck protecting a strait or a canal with a missile. Dude - go stop those Somali pirates from stealing your cargo ship with your "lucky missile" BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Liberals. You can't make this stuff up. BWHAHAHAHAH

[video=youtube;zdJ8x6lyrfo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdJ8x6lyrfo[/video]

 

How about some realism from the French and Germans:

This excerpt is from a report from the head of French Military Intelligence; General Christophe Gomart.

NATO announced that the Russians were going to invade Ukraine, the while that according to our information at the DRM (Direction du Renseignement Militaire), there was nothing to support this hypothesis — we had in fact stated that the Russians had not deployed either command nor the logistics, that would permit envisaging a military invasion, notably field hospitals, and that the second-line units had been exhibiting no movement. ​

This is the German account as presented in Spiegel:

Breedlove, NATO’s most powerful soldier, has consistently presented an exaggerated Russian role in Ukraine:

At the beginning of the crisis, Breedlove spoke of 40,000 soldiers that Russia was assembling at the border and that could attack at any moment. Intelligence services from the NATO countries disagreed, according to Der Spiegel: the real number was significantly lower, and their arrangement had nothing to do with any invasion.

November 2014, he reported that tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft gear, and combat troops had crossed the border, whereas OSCE had merely reported internal movements within east Ukraine

Somewhat later he reported Russian military advisors were in Ukraine, to the number of “250-300, sometimes “300-500.”

Then in February, as Angela Merkel in Minsk had just negotiated the ceasefire, Breedlove reported that 50 Russian tanks and dozens of rocket launchers were crossing the border — which the German Intelligence Service could not confirm, despite having their own spy-satellites and exchanges with US intelligence agencies.

And now, at the beginning of March, just as hopes in Germany are rising for a lasting ceasefire, Breedlove is saying Russia has over a thousand combat vehicles, with combat troops and artillery battalions in Eastern Ukraine. According to Der Speigel, Berlin doesn’t know what Breedlove is talking about.

Though the Federal government is satisfied that Russia provides military support to the separatists, it relies on intelligence from the BND, Bundesnachrichtendienst. For months “they are shaking their heads” when NATO talks about Russian troop movements.

The message of the Federal Government to NATO and the US, then, is this: the controversial assessments of the situation could damage the credibility of the West; one should combat propaganda not with propaganda, but with arguments of state; it does not go unnoticed that Breedlove spreads his information just when the peace process is in progress. The Federal Government urges the allies to support the process of peace.​

 

Surely you Jest Alphy !
The US & Canknucklese & the Saudis - don't forget the Saudis - Alphy !
............................................................................................just shot themselves in the foot

I think you will find, if you look closely, is that the stupidity you speak of resides in Washington ...

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Washington Blows Itself Up With Its Own Bomb
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41973.htm
By F. William Engdahl - May 26, 2015 "Information Clearing House" - "NEO" –

These are sad days in Washington and Wall Street. The once unchallenged sole
Superpower at the collapse of the Soviet Union some quarter century ago is losing its
global influence so rapidly that most would not have predicted anything comparable six
months ago. The key actor who has catalyzed a global defiance of Washington as Sole
Superpower is Vladimir Putin, Russia’s President. This is the real background to the
surprise visit of US Secretary of State John Kerry to Sochi to meet with Russian Foreign
Minister Sergei Lavrov and then a four hour talk with “Satan” himself, Putin.

Far from a “reset” try, Washington’s hapless geopolitical strategists are desperately trying
to find a better way to bring the Russian Bear to her knees.

A flash back to December 2014 is instructive to understand why the US Secretary of
State holds out an apparent olive branch to Russia’s Putin at this juncture. At that point,
Washington appeared about to pin Russia to the ground, with its precision targeted
financial sanctions and its deal with Saudi Arabia to collapse oil prices. In mid-December
the Ruble was in free fall against the dollar. Oil prices were similarly plummeting down
to $45 a barrel from $107 only six months earlier. As Russia is strongly dependent on oil
and gas export revenues for its state finances, and Russian companies held huge dollar
debt obligations abroad, the situation was bleak as seen from inside the Kremlin.

Here fate, as it were, intervened in an unexpected way (at least by the USA architects of
the financial warfare and oil collapse strategy). Not only was John Kerry’s September
2014 deal with ailing Saudi King Abdullah delivering heavy pain in the Russian finances.
It was also threatening an explosion of an estimated $500 billion in high-risk-high-yield
“junk” bonds, debt that the US shale oil industry had taken on from Wall Street banks in
the past five years to finance the much-touted US shale oil revolution that briefly
propelled the USA ahead of Saudi Arabia as the world’s largest oil producer.

US Strategy Backfires
What Kerry missed in his clever Saudi horse trading was the sly double agenda of the
Saudi royals. They had earlier made clear they did not at all want their role as world
premier oil producer and market king to be undercut by an upstart US shale oil industry.

They were happy to give Russia and also Iran pain. But their central aim was to kill the
US shale oil rivals. Their shale projects were calculated when oil was $100 a barrel, less
than a year ago. Their minimum price of oil to avoid bankruptcy in most cases was $65 a
barrel to $80 a barrel. Shale oil extraction is unconventional and more costly than
conventional oil. Douglas-Westwood, an energy advisory firm, estimates that nearly half
of the US oil projects under development need oil prices greater than $120 per barrel in
order to achieve positive cash flow.

By end of December a chain-reaction series of shale oil bankruptcies threatened to
detonate a new financial tsunami at a time the carnage from the 2007-2008 securitization
financial crisis was anything but resolved. Even a few high-profile shale oil junk bond
defaults would have triggered a domino-style panic in the US $1.9 trillion junk bond debt
market, no doubt setting off a new financial meltdown that the over-stressed US
Government and Federal Reserve could scarcely handle. It could have threatened the end
of the US dollar as global reserve currency.

Suddenly in the first days of January, IMF head Lagarde was praising Russia’s central
bank for its “successful” handling of the ruble crisis. The US Treasury Office of
Financial Terrorism quietly eased off on further attacks on Russia while the Obama
Administration pretended it was “World War III as usual” against Putin. The US oil
strategy had inflicted far more damage on the US than on Russia.

USA Russia Policy Failure
Not only that. Washington’s brilliant total war strategy against Russia initiated with the
November 2013 Kiev EuroMaidan coup d’etat has become a manifest, utter failure that is
creating the worst imaginable geopolitical nightmare for Washington.

Far from reacting as a helpless victim and cowering in fear before the US efforts to
isolate Russia, Putin initiated a brilliant series of foreign economic, military and political
initiatives that by April added up to the seed crystal of a new global monetary order and a
new Eurasian economic colossus to rival US sole superpower hegemony. He challenged
the very foundations of the US-dominated dollar system and her global world order
everywhere from India to Brazil to Cuba to Greece to Turkey. Russia and China signed
mammoth new energy deals that allowed Russia to redirect its energy strategy from the
west where the EU and Ukraine, both under strong Washington pressure, had sabotaged
Russian EU gas deliveries via Ukraine. The EU, again under intense Washington pressure
threw one monkey wrench after another into Gazprom’s South Stream natural gas
pipeline project to southern Europe.

Rather than be defensive, Putin shocked the EU during his visit to Turkey and meeting
with President Erdogan when he announced on December 1 that he had cancelled
Gazprom’s South Stream project. He announced he would seek an agreement with
Turkey to deliver Russian gas to the Greek border. From there, if the EU wants the gas
they have to finance their own pipelines. The EU bluff was called. Their future gas needs
were more remote than ever.

The EU sanctions on Russia also backfired as Russia retaliated with a ban on EU food
imports and a turn to Russian self-sufficiency. And billions of dollars of contracts or
exports from German firms like Siemens or France’s Total were suddenly in limbo.
Boeing saw large aircraft orders to Russian carriers cancelled. Russia announced it was
turning to national suppliers in production of critical defense components.

Then Russia became an “Asian” charter member of China’s remarkably successful new
Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) designed to finance its ambitious New Silk
Road Economic Belt high-speed rail network across Eurasia into the EU. Rather than
isolate Russia, US policy backfired badly as, despite strong pressures, US staunch allies
including Britain, Germany, France and South Korea all rushed to join the new AIIB.

Further, at their May meeting in Moscow, China’s President Xi Jinping and Vladimir
Putin announced that the China silk road rail infrastructure would be fully integrated with
Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union, a staggering boost not only to Russia bit to Eurasia
into China, a region containing the majority of the world’s population.

In short, by the point John Kerry was told to swallow hard and fly to Sochi, hat in hand,
to offer some kind of peace pipe to Putin, US leading circles, the American Oligarchs had
realized their aggressive neo-conservative warhawks like Victoria “F**k the EU” Nuland
of the State Department and Defense Secretary Ash Carter were propelling the creation of
a new alternative world structure that could spell the ruin of the entire post-Bretton
Woods Washington-dominated Dollar System. Oops.

In addition, by forcing her European “allies” to toe the US anti-Putin line, to the severe
detriment of EU economic and political interests, alone her vigorous participation in the
New Silk Road Economic Belt project and the economic boom in investment that will
bring with it, Washington’s neo-conservatives have managed also to accelerate a
probable parting of the ways between Germany, France and other Continental European
powers to Washington.

Finally, as the whole world (including even Western anti-Atlantists) came to view Putin
as the symbol of resistance to the American dominance. This perception first emerged at
the time of the Snowden story but has solidified after the sanctions and blockade. Such
perception, by the way, plays a significant psychological role in the geopolitical struggle
the presence of such a symbol opens up novel venues in the fight against the hegemony.

For all these reasons, Kerry was clearly sent to Sochi to sniff out possible soft points for a
renewed assault in the future. He told the rogue US-backed lunatics in Kiev to cool it and
respect the Minsk cease-fire accords. The demand came as a shock in Kiev. US-installed
Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk told French TV, “Sochi is definitely not the best resort
and not the best place to have a chat with Russian president and Russian foreign
minister.”

At this juncture the only thing clear is that Washington has finally realized the stupidity
of its provocations against Russia in Ukraine and globally. What their next scheme will
entail is not yet clear. Clear is that a dramatic policy shift has been ordered on the Obama
administration from the highest levels of US institutions. Nothing else could explain the
dramatic shift. If sanity replaces the neo-con insanity remains to be seen. Clear is that
Russia and China are resolute about never again leaving themselves at the mercy of an
incalculable sole superpower. Kerry’s pathetic attempt at a second Russia “reset” in
Sochi will bring Washington little at this point. The US Oligarchy, as Shakespeare’s
Hamlet put it, is being “hoist with their own petard,” as the bomb maker blows himself
up with his own bomb.


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Those U.S. Navy Carriers are protected by at least 2 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers equipped with the most accurate and capable ABM/ASAT System on the Planet or on the Oceans!!!

The SM-3 ABM/ASAT is capable of destroying any existing Chinese, Russian or other Carrier Killer or Anti-Ship Missile.

The SM-3 can be launched from one of two Aegis Cruisers such as the two Ticonderoga Class Cruisers that exist within every U.S. Navy Nuclear Carrier Battle Group and TARGET AND DIRECTLY STRIKE ANY AIRCRAFT, BALISTIC OR EVEN CRUISE MISSILE as the U.S. Navy has deployed the new SM-3C Cruise Missile Killer and destroy such Missiles or Aircraft or even SATELLITES traveling at over 16,500 mph or greater and traveling and incoming or passing over at ORBITAL DISTANCES WITH 100% ACCURACY!!

Every USN Carrier Battle Group is also protected by a number of L.A. Class, Virginia Class and as well 3 Carrier Battle Groups are also protected by SEAWOLF CLASS ATTACK SUBS....WHICH ARE THE MOST ADVANCED AND CAPABLE ATTACK SUBMARINES EVER BUILT BY MAN!!

Add to this U.S. Satellite Detection using a number of methods one being GROUND AND OCEAN PENETRATING RADARS.....which can detect enemy subs at any depth as well as detect enemy ships and subs hiding under or within Undersea Ocean Mountains or Undersea Ledges.....as well as SATELLITE AND AIRCRAFT BASED Magnetometers....which can detect any enemy ship or sub anywhere on or under sea.....not to mention the U.S. Navy has EVERY OCEAN ON THE PLANET WIRED FOR SOUND as the bottom of all of Earth's Oceans and many seas have THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF MICROPHONES PLACED UPON THE OCEAN AND SEA BOTTOMS which detect Subs and Surface Ships....IR-LIGHT DETECTION.....OCEAN AND SEA WATER DISPLACEMENT DETECTION...ETC...ETC...ETC!!!

Not to mention U.S. Anti-Submarine Warfare Ships, Aircraft...etc.

Even if the unthinkable happened and somehow our defenses for a Carrier somehow broke down.....U.S. Carriers ARE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO SINK!!!

As they are designed and built in SEPERATE SELF CONTAINED COMPARTMENTS that are built independently and then literally put together in a similar manner to BOLTING.

The Chinese Carrier Killer Missile was OBSOLETE even before the Chinese attempted to build one!!!

AboveAlpha

 

We're not talking about Ukraine here, we're talking about Russia, and the patriotism aroused in the Russian people by Washington's propaganda and lies. Putin has given them back their pride. The Russian people today are anything but demoralized.

 

How many Americans have died fighting for Kiev as "contractors" ?
Who pays the bill on these higher priced soldiers? (And is it really Constitutional?)

Please let me know - Oh and who started it


Moi
Like Vietnam all over again
With America the bigger liar


r > g

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Tell that to the Multiple Millions of Jobless Russian's!!!

Putin has a VERY LIMITED amount of time before his own supporters turn on him.

You can only blame another nation so many times for your nations economic plight and make no mistake the Russian Economy is collapsing.

Russia's own Economic Indicators place a decrease in the Russian Economy at 5.5% this year in 2015...and this decrease could be as high as 8.7%.

Western Economic predictions taking into account that we are almost in June show the Russian Economy decrease at a current 7.4% but the decrease has accelerated in May which could cause the Russian Economy if it continues it's current losses to decrease to perhaps 9%.

Even if the total decrease in the Russian Economy is about what Russia ITSELF PREDICTS....we will use an approx. average decrease in the 2015 Russian Economy of 6.2%......with a TINY RUSSIAN ECONOMY OF ONLY $1.9 Trillion that 6.2% Decrease represents a monetary decrease of $117.8 BILLION!!!

Thus reducing the totl Russian Economy in 2015 to only $1.7822 Trillion.

With the estimated U.S. Econmy in 2015 estimated to increase to $18.1 Trillion.....this means Russia would have a total Economy that is only at about 1/11th of that of the U.S.

AboveAlpha

 

You might be right, but it should also be remembered that the Russians are used to living poorly-even from well before the soviet era.
Bread lines only ended 25 years ago. They are used to difficulty-I suspect there might be some sort of pride in it actually.

 

You are right.

They simply don't know any type of BETTER LIFE.

Putin takes advantage of this and along with his 110 KGB, GRU, Commie and Soviet Military Brass Buddies....they own 35% of Russia and live like KINGS.....while Russian Friends of Mine can't even afford ORANGE JUICE!!!

Back in the day....you could swap a few cartons of O.J. and some Banana's for a CAR!!!

Of course this car was the....made in EAST GERMANY WITH CARDBOARD DOORS AND PANNELS TRABANT!!!

LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Russia isn't going to tell you the truth. You have to look at the side stories that pop up.

Russia’s body count is rising in Ukraine, despite army officials’ denials

 

Money isn't everything, and it seems the rest of the world is waking up to that basic fact.