Russia running out of cash

Yes we do actually, but again, I wouldn't expect you to know that.. I'd be suprised if you even knew where europe was on a map

heh, yeah we're hotter than you that's for sure

 

It's paranoia. Europe needs to handle their own (*)(*)(*)(*) and we can be friends with whoever we want.

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I'd rather have a business relationship with the ruskies than war.

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There's a contingency for an alien attack

 

What part of "the US has massive military and economic interests in Europe" is it that you do not understand??

 

That's where I think we should scale back. We could have interests in Russia. China.

Europe is our little brother and Russia is the bully on the bus. They know you guys fear them and they'll take advantage. If we can all work better on geopolitics and alliances, I see no reason for Russia to expand business opportunities with us.

 

And again a lie through wrest from a context. Putin of it didn't claim. Have asked him a question at a meeting of Valdai club: "You can destroy the USA approximately for half an hour?" What Putin has absolutely formally precisely answered "Generally, quicker …".

As you can see, taking into account a context the comment appears with absolutely other sense, than show you the anti-Russian media.

 

Here, again. As soon as I see a controversial statement, so I have to believe someone at their word...

 

While I don't agree with the analogy... Are you saying you wouldn't defend your little brother against a bully?? That's.. bad.

But in any case, it's a bad analogy. it's more along the line of that some right wing americans are having an irrational fit over europe, like an upset child. Just look at how you move the goal post: "We don't have interests in europe!". Actually, you do, I reply. "Okay but we shouldn't have interests there. we should we friends with russia instead!". But Russia hates you, and in any case they have very little to offer you as an ally compared to europe. "But I hate europe! I hate it! I'm gonna run away and you're gonna miss me and we're not friends and you can't borrow my toys anymore!!"

You know Europe is an infinitely better ally than Russia could ever be. But, like a teenager rebelling against their parents (though this analogy ought not be drawn too far) you want to rebel just because you want to rebel. You want to try drugs even though you know its bad, you want to do it because your parents said you shouldn't. Oh yes, aint nobody gonna tell you what you can and can't do.

Or maybe, you're still angry because France didn't join you in the iraq war. Like any mature adult in that situation would do, you renamed french fries to freedom fries.

Maybe you're just having a man-crush on putin, and want to be a "tough and cool" guy like him, maybe ride together half naked in the sunset in siberia. But I think it has less to do with putin.. more to do with the USA

Maybe you are having an identity crisis? Maybe it's as if you're about to turn 40, you have wife and kids, everything is settled, you have a good job, but you still panic. Yes, you are still missing something! You are not content with merely stability, you want some excitement. remember the good old days when you fought world wars and everything was cool. it's so boring now that the world is stable and you've largely achieved your long term geopolitical goals. You don't want stability, you want action. You know europe is your best ally, but europe is sooooo boring.

I don't know exactly what is going on in the heads of some americans or why you people are saying these ridiculous things.. But it certainly doesn't make sense from a US national security standpoint. However, from the standpoint you're having an emotional fit against europe for whatever reason, it makes perfect sense.

of course, putin never threatens anybody does he? He just informs people.. in the same way that the mafia never makes threats.. Putin says he could take eastern european capitals in a week. But it's not a threat, no, no, no, how could you interpret it to be a threat? Putin also says that if Sweden joins nato, russia will have to "take measures", but this isn't a threat, of course not! Putin says that if denmark joins nato's missile defense, danish ships will be targets for russian nukes, but this isn't a threat either! Putin never makes threats.

 

I'm saying my little brother needs to learn what fights not to pick. Even against a bully.

I have no man crush on Putin. I don't even like him. It's the people in Russia who could have a much better life by the business partnerships we could have- that I feel sorry for. We could boost each other's economies. We could establish a military friendship.

It just bothers me that Europe and Russia drag the US into everything. If Europe and Obama would stop whining so much about Crimea (which there was a vote on), this could go the opposite way.

 

it would be wonderful if we could all just get along.. indeed. yes, it would be great if we could just cut down our militaries and trade instead. Things were going great for a while... Eastern europe joined the EU, opening up markets. Russia traded with the west and was friendly. The cold war was over, the militaries were steadily shrinking.. But then, Russia started to re-arm. Why, what threat was there? and then, Russia opposed that ukraine should have closer trade relations with the EU? Why, how did this threaten russia? What happened to "disarm and trade"? Why did Russia ruin the party? I don't know, you'll have to ask Putin. he did say something about that the collapse of the USSR was the greatest disaster of the 20th century, so maybe that can give us a clue to what he's thinking.

You don't seem to understand.. We didn't ruin the party. Russia did. Of course we want peace and trade. But Russia doesn't seem to want that.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Crimea vote to leave Ukraine and join Russia?

 

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal according to international law to INVADE another country?? yeah, did you miss that part? The part where Russia (*)(*)(*)(*)ing invaded Crimea?

 

Russia invaded Crimea in 1782 and more of its troops never left Crimea (except for a short period of 1941-1944). You are now writing about the eighteenth century?

 

Likely he is referring to a couple years ago. Though I'm sure you will call it something other than an invasion....I think you folks call it "Annexation".

 

Don't be stupid. Russia had right to have military on bases in crimea. Russians did not have a right to roam freely on crimea. Russia did not have a right to use their military to facilitate crimean independence.

 

So Western politicians are just as "informs" Russia. What's the difference?

— As president I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyber attacks just like any other attack. We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.“
— Theresa May has said she would be prepared to push the nuclear button to protect the UK - even if it would cause mass fatalities.

And more...

 

Yes, of course. That's what I'm implying. Invasion implies "troops never had before and they came now." But in Crimea, Russian troops have always been. So call it "an invasion" impossible. Moreover. Almost all Ukrainian troops in Crimea immediately switched to the Russian side. I not so long ago on the forum published the official Ukrainian numbers. In short, from 20 thousand Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea eventually returned to Ukraine only 6000, and the rest left to serve of Russia. You can not call the invasion of Ukrainian troops in the Crimea?

Annexation implies violent accession of foreign state. Crimea declared independence and subsequently joined Russia voluntarily. You can only argue about the legality of this process according to international standards. But even if You believe these actions are illegal, still joining was voluntary.

 

But it wasn't an invasion. Because Russian troops are there for 250 years

But what's 2014? For example, the photo of 2010 year:



You want examples of the power use of the Russian army in the Crimea in the past? Here is an example of 2013:

[video=youtube;XQLZ0k27pCk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQLZ0k27pCk[/video]

At last, who told you that the exit to streets of the Russian army in 2014 was illegal? The legal president of Ukraine Victor Yanukovych appealed then to Russia about protection.

 

If you actually hate Hillary you are clearly a nut job. You can disagree with her policies or believe without any evidence that she lied about Benghazi but if you actually hate Hillary you are clearly a candidate for counseling.

In point of fact anyone who actually has such a meaningless life that they become so consumed by politics that it drives them to hate an individual candidate probably needs a great deal of counseling.

 

Are you saying all Trump hating, GWB hating liberals on this forum and elsewhere need counseling?

Please don't insult our intelligence and tell us they don't hate them and merely disagree on issues.

 

Invasion implies foreign troops illegally without a permission, crossing the borders of a sovereign country in order to carry out military objectives on the territory of that country..... The presence of a legal military contingent on the territory of that country at the time of the invasion does not change anything. Lest we forget that that contingent was also engaged in military activities unauthorized by the standing agreement related to the contingent.

 

It is impossible to insult your intelligence such as it is. That said no, the more inteiigent posters do not hate Trump but are suitably appalled by his lies and the tactics that he uses. Not to mention being terrified by the forseeable implications should some of his more pandering policies actually be implimented.

But yes I would say anyone who can actually hate a candidate needs counseling.

 

So the next time one of the "less intelligent" lib posters expresses hatred of Trump you will respond to him, reprimand him and advice counseling? Or your advise is reserved for anti-Hillary posters only?

 

It is not just Russia that is suffering. Saud has a massive slush fund estimated at roughly 1 trillion. They blew through 20% in 2015 and will have gone through nearly that in 2016. Then there are all the other countries that were highly dependent on oil.

The strange thing is that Saud is the one responsible for the low price. I do not think they will keep the price this low for much longer.

 

Almost everyone voting Red or Blue needs counseling, regardless of whether or not they hate the other candidate. Counseling is needed for those who vote Blue because they hate the Red leader and vice versa.

Aside from a few differences in social policy ( one hates abortion, the other hates guns ... and so on) the two parties are both hell bent on increasing the power of Gov't and the size of Gov't, increasing the power of the Oligopolies through regulation (stifling competition) and tax law, and trashing the constitution - individual rights and freedoms/liberty while increasing police powers towards and end result of a quazi totalitarian police state with citizens in indentured servitude.

Why would any sane person vote for that. The problem is that most people do not realize this ... hence the need for counseling/education.

 

Hillary is the most corrupt politician the United States has seen since the early 1900's. The fact that you support it just means you're anti-American. Maybe you and Trump can be in denial together.

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I asked a question. Did Crimea vote to stay with Ukraine or go to Russia?