Russian evidence on MH17 crash ignored – Peskov

Again, complete speculation that there is an ulterior motive behind some deaths; all of which have had no ultimate bearing on the situation in that area. If you are going to subscribe to some tinfoil antics, there should be at least some sound reasoning behind it. The report doesn't pander to anything that could be taken forward for political or monetary gain, IMO. Not without tenuous reaching.

 

What war? Whose pawn? You seem to have some inside knowledge that nobody else has, so I assume you are an intelligence officer for Russia or another interested nation. Or just an internet conspirator. You suggest the Dutch report omits data, but try to claim the Russian report is more accurate when it also omits the same data, and had less access to the data [i.e. black box]. If you dismiss one, you need to dismiss the other too. Your attitude is not consistent with the line you tow.

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You can download the entire 36MB report that is available to the public, instead of watching cartoons and basing your opinion on small media bytes that are designed for the layman that don't have a serious interest in debating.

 

I agree that both of reports are inaccurate. I just want to western media and politicians have stopped to bark at Russia.

I noticed that Americans do not care about the people from the MH-17. Nobody cares.

 

I wouldn't say the Dutch is inaccurate as I have no evidence to the contrary.

 

Just pay attention. The plane crash of this type are usually investigated during 2-3 weeks. It has passed more than one year, all we have now is the report with indistinct formulations. If they would have iron proofs of Russian involvement or the involvement of the rebels to this crash, they would have published it in the July - August of last year. Since there is no way to put the responsibility on Russia for this downfall, we see this extraordinary delaying of the investigation. But if the plane would crash on Russian territory, no one would wait for the results of investigations. Russia would be automatically declared responsible for this wreck with all the ensuing consequences.

For a quite long time I've been watching the Western media. Russofobiya is part of your media. It seems the editor will not publish a single article about my country if the author did not spit in Russia. But the unprecedented russophobian hysteria of last year is something special. Any psychologist and sociologist can tell you this is nothing but the creation of the image of the enemy and the preparation of public opinion for war. Ta same situation, and the demonization of countries and their leaders was on the eve of the bombing of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. This is the obvious thing.

Russia and rebels do not need this scandal. But this wreck is the smart gift for those who need a war against Russia.The conclusions suggest themselves. People in ancient Rome spoke " If you want to find that one who is responsible search for that one who has got a benefit ". The human psychology is not changed the last several thousand years.

 

[video=youtube;8DmraSOdTYk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk[/video]

The BUK system’s manufacturer Almaz-Antey releases its report on last year’s MH17 crash over eastern Ukraine and shows a video of simulated BUK missile explosion right next to a pilot's cockpit. If the Malaysian airliner's cockpit had been directly hit by the BUK missile as Dutch investigators insist, nothing would have left intact as the demonstration shows.

 

1) Crash sites are not usually in a conflict area.
2) Crash sites do not usually need to consider, or investigate, missile activity.
3) There is nothing to suggest Russian/Rebel involvement in the report.

4) You make assumptions with nothing to back it up, that had it landed in Russia, things would have been different.
5) Nobody, that has any serious opinion, takes major one sided media seriously, but you are choosing that as another reason to harden your conspiracy theories.

 

I'm not talking about the report, I am talking about the situation of last year when only a lucky case has allowed us to avoid WWIII. Of course now they are not talking about Russian / Rebel involvement in this report because they do not have any evidence of this. But in the situation of last year, the fact of the fall of this plane in the territory of Russia could cause the big war. Recollect the press of last year. All Western media said about the involvement of Russian army in the conflict in Donbass. The fact of falling of the plane in territory of Russia could be used as a proof of participation of Russian air defense in the destruction of Ukrainian aviation. So Russia could be declared as the country aggressor, as a result the West headed by the "Empire of Kindness" has to help the poor Ukrainians by military means.

If you have the task to organize a big war, you will not bother yourselves by searching for evidence and truth. Later, the war will put everything in its place. Nobody will recollect it was the lie. Who recollects now Colin Powell's vial with a white powder and the mythical nuclear weapons of Saddam Hussein? However this lie has caused the war in Iraq. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is just the ordinary policy. The whole human history consists of this.

 

As for me I don't know who shot down the airplane. That could be rebels and Ukrainians both.

 

Highly speculative. I couldn't see any big war because of that action.

 

hm so what? I think there is no real parties (except relatives of people died in crash) who want a truth... West does not want it... Russia does not want it... Ukraine does not want it... Thus we will see a lot of "evidences" to support the position of each side

 

From the very beginning the MH17 incident has been a huge propaganda effort to demonize Russia. The US Spin Machine was turning at full RPM for that effort.

I refuse to believe the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) stories of the habitual liars that are the federal government and its lapdog media.

 

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