Russian Tanks Cross Border Into Ukraine

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    It has not even established at this point that "Biden didn't," and the Ukrainians aren't Nazis.
     
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    The OSCE has no credibility since it was caught concocting false reports in Syria. It has become just another tool of the West. All its conclusions are pre-ordained to align with the West's propaganda aims.
     
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    The only "Nazi" problem are the Russkis that are causing the issues.

    The term ",Nazi" is a convenient vehicle used by Potemkin village trolls.
     
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    The Russian troll "liked" this post. There is a strong hint that you're dead wrong.

    What false reports do you believe OSCE gave about Syria?
     
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    Yawn ...... you posted that already.

    For sure, not all are; not even most. Most Germans weren't, either.
     
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    Then stop calling them Nazis. That's not a nice thing to call people, especially when you obviously know nothing about them.
     
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    No credibility like a lot of these posts in this thread. The only thing Ukraine has to do to stop this conflict is implement the Minsk II Peace deal.....which they haven't. All it would take is legal protection for Russian speakers to speak in their native tongue and be able to have free and fair elections, yet the Nazis in Kyiv have been blocking the reforms as required by Minsk I &II.

    The Ukrainians signed the Minsk deals. So did Germany and France and Russia. The only one not following through is Ukraine.
     
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    LOL....its reliable like WD40 on ice ....which is **** all basically.


    That US sub....if its even IN the Black Sea...which i doubt. Could be dropping SOSUS sonars along the way....just like we "mined" the Pacific,Atlantic,Mediterranean, Gulf of Mexico, Northwest Passage, Baltic....we can hear everything now!:laughing:
     
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    At a guess. Since Brexit Britain has been on the march trying to prove its 'relevancy' now its not in the EU anymore. Its made an announcement about sending ships to the South East Asia as a 'message' to China along similar lines. Again its just a 'showing the flag' exercise, nothing more.

    More generally, why would NATO even want to support Ukraine at this time? What they are supporting is a fringe group of NAZIs hell-bent on starting a war. This is not Syria, where we supported head-choppers. Russia has drawn a clear red line here and, as far as I know of, Russia wins in all non-nuclear scenarios that have been war-gamed in the past.[/QUOTE]

    IMO? Ukraine has expressed interest in joining NATO. Whether that ever happens will depend in large measure how well it maintains or continues to develop the 'democratic' norms expected of fellow members. Time will tell. In the interim 'support' will be limited to maintaining the status quo. If Russia stays on its side of the 'line' NATO will do the same. Basically the game is providing just enough military support to neutralize Russian support for the other side so that neither goes 'stupid' and starts a full scale war.
     
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    You're not gonna get me doing your homework for you. I give you enough credit to know that you do keep up and know full well what I'm talking about. I'd say you're being deliberately obtuse. Must be in keeping with your new purpose here after your absence.
     
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    Russia, not Ukraine, has been violating Minsk II.

    It's Russia's M.O. to violate laws and agreements while denying that's doing so, using any false excuse it deems expedient. It's also Russia's M.O. to use disinformation to attempt to discredit anyone who calls them out on what they're doing. It's called information warfare and it's something they've essentially revived from the Soviet era and refined for the Internet Age.
     
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    My purpose? Good one.

    No, I don't know what you mean. What do you think OSCE lied about?
     
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    Botox Kremlin hobbit stopped traffic from Turkey because Erdogan said Crimea is Ukraine, and supported Ukrai nes bid for NATO....Kremlin razgul had a $hitfit,popped hemmoroids and canceled flights.

    How is Erdogan going to lose Istanbul? Are there Russian speakers there?
     
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    What? Do you want the pictures posted again? They're upthread if you didn't see them already. Or maybe some of the reports in Western media that started coming out in 2016-17 after their existence could no longer be ignored?

    Of course, you know this already. Quit playing games.
     
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    America has its fringe Nazi sympathizers. Doesn't make us all Nazis.
     
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    Right Sector has Ukie govt by the balls?....you have a link?

    Russia is ready.....OK...go all in?....whatre they waiting for?.....Surely some a$$wipe paper of Minsk agreement can't be stopping them?
    The asiatic razguls know that their body count will be through the roof if they move. It's not 2014 anymore.

    The sanctions in place now are **** all compared to the sanctions from HELL that await from an all out conflict.

    SWIFT is one....and would probably sink the Russki economy once removed.

    Therell probably be an ugly insurgency....NATO will probably support it covertly.....just like Afstan.....the list goes on.
     
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    Only China and Russia deem it a "threat" for other countries to sail their fleets in international waters.
     
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    My bad. It was the OPCW in Syria, not the OSCE. Same modus operandi, same lack of credibility as the OSCE in Ukraine. Just another "fair and impartial" grouping of letters that is anything but fair and impartial.
     
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    So now you're claiming OSCE has no credibility with even less of a flimsy basis than you had earlier..
     
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    Not as fringe as you think, which proves you've never been there. They have battalions embedded in their national forces that are solely made up of nazis....that's Azov (Азов) shown above in the flag, top pic.

    What would you think if a country had statues of Hitler still in place? Well, Ukraine has recently erected statues of Stepan Bandera (hence the reference to Banderites), who collaborated with Hitler.

    So when you say that there are no nazis in Ukraine, not only are they there, they are fighting on the front lines in Donbass in Азов.

    And once again, Ukraine signed the Minsk deals and IS THE ONLY PARTY NOT COMPLYING. Why, because of the nazis.
     
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    It's one not posted by you... so yes
     
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    I hope someone farts in your ear
     
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    Have been there. Didn't see any Nazis. I win.
     

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