Same sex marriage

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by WAN, Dec 27, 2016.

  1. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    Just accept anything. It is easier than thinking. How do some folks even walk around?
     
  2. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gay marriage is wrong. The bible says so and to support it is to support the sin. Anybody looking to make it to heaven should consider reading the bible more or accept the fact that you may end up in a much scarier place. God intended marriage to be between a man and a woman and the bible has existed before the catholic christians and most peoples came about so to deny the truth in the bible is to deny God. Jesus intended this earth to be filled with love and we should love everyone but we should NOT accept or support the sins others choose to do.

    My other question is this. How is it ok for a same sex couple to force a baker to make them cupcakes or a photographer to take pictures of them? When same sex people do not get their way they cry and go to court. So how is it ok for them to attack my beliefs but it is wrong of me for not supporting them? That is so wrong on every level and the Republican party needs to start passing laws to protect Christians from these people before us Christians no longer have any rights in this country and gays have all of the rights in the world. Christians are people to just like gays yet we are viewed as evil while gays are viewed as doing nothing wrong. If I own a bakery I should have a right to refuse service to anyone I so choose to do so with but gay people seem to think everyone has to baby them or we are bad people.
     
  3. kreo

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    Homosexuality is none of anyone's business. It is private activity, so government SHOULD NOT provide benefits for homosexuals.
    Relationship between man and woman requires government involvement, so government is obligated to provide benefits for heterosexual couples.
    I am not sure what part you do not understand.
     
  4. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This thread needs to be locked as some of the childish responses in this thread our getting out of control. Its sad some people can't have a mature civil conversation.
     
  5. kreo

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    The problem is gays are NOT subjected to the hell, they just receive benefits without any kind of obligations.
     
  6. rahl

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    no I didn't, and of course I'm not

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    uh, gays have the exact same obligations as straights when it comes to marriage.
     
  7. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God and Jesus. It is written in the bible in many versus. The bible has been around since before most people on this earth including catholic christians who were some of the first organized peoples to worship God. Many historians do believe the bible and even Jesus to be real. Even if you do not believe it is still wrong to support the sins of others.

    It is not fair that we Christians are attacked for our beliefs but we must accept or baby gay people and even bake them cupcakes if they cry and ask for them. Since when have we now say with our beliefs? What makes gays have more of a say then we do? Why should we allow gay marriage when the bible that we believe in says it is wrong?
     
  8. doombug

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    Sure you did and yes you are. It is obvious.
     
  9. rahl

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    no I didn't. And it's demonstrable that I'm not.
     
  10. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's not forget that 40% of all marriages today end in divorce. It seems like today's generations do not take marriage very seriously. What ever happened courting ar getting to know someone first? Than you have people who want to bring their private lives into marriage and it get's even worse. Now we are teaching our kids of today that gay marriage is ok when it is not. I don't understand why everyone feels the need to try and tell our children the bible is wrong but you have to listen to us (people who think they are above God) because we are right. The sins of others should not be used to brainwash our children of today.

    Several years ago same sex marriage was made ok here in Iowa. Of the 4 judges who made it legal the people of Iowa voted and removed 3 of them. I was one of the people who voted to remove them. We need to continue doing this in every state to let people know we still have a voice.
     
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    The problem with your argument is, your faith or beliefs have no relevance to anyone other than yourself. You are free to believe in whatever religion you want, but those beliefs can not infringe on the rights of others. Your only option if you choose to live by your faith, is to not get married to someone of the same sex. You don't get a say whether anyone else can.

    you don't have to do anything. You do, however, have to follow the law. If you open up a business to the public, and that state has public accommodation laws, you don't get to break them.

    you've always had them, and still do. Your beliefs have no relevance to anyone other than you though.
    they don't.
    because you don't get a say in who can get married. You only get a say in who you marry.

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    you have a voice, but you have no say in who can marry. You only have a say in who YOU marry.
     
  12. robini123

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    I believe to follow the Bible is to follow the fallible word of man. It is easy to claim that the Bible is the word of God, it is all but impossible to irrefutably prove that it is the word of God. But a moot point as American laws should not be based upon religion.

    While many others do not.

    Sin = harm. What harm does same sex marriage cause others?

    A business in not a religion thus it is subject to the law of the government. If a gay baker refused to serve a Christian then the same law that protects gays right to be served would also protect a Christians right to be served.

    In what way do you perceive they have more say than you?

    Because America is not a theocracy.
     
  13. a777pilot

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    It's not, repeat, not a marriage. Come up with another name.

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    "...American laws should not be based upon religion."

    Yet ALL laws are a moral judgement.

    Now what?
     
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    I am not apathetic about same sex marriage. I continually fight for the rights of gays to marry. You still haven't told me why you think that same sex marriage is bad for our society.
     
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    Again, Stop trying to force your gods will onto people who may not believe your God exists. That is the very definition of oppression.
     
  16. kreo

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    you have presented a circular reasoning fallacy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
    circular logic is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with

    marriage is a benefit for relationship between man and woman not the other way around
     
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    Then gay people beliefs should not infringe upon the rights of Christians to refuse service to who they want to. Gay people have a false belief that they should be allowed to get married but this supports an evil sin that brain washes the kids of today. It says nowhere in the bible that marriage is anything other than a man and a woman.

    Since when is the law above my freedom's or beliefs or God? If a guy can refuse service to OJ Simpson in his restaurant why can't I refuse service to a gay person? So how is it ok that I have to go against my beliefs to bake cupcakes for gay people? I will not go against my beliefs and I should not get fined 5,000 dollars just because I don't want to serve a gay couple. Christians are being persecuted and nobody cares but if a gay person is insulted it is the end of the world. It is so unfair but in the end God will have the last say.

    My beliefs have to do with everyone. If you choose not to believe then so be it but when you die it will have everything to do with where you will end up. Your life on this earth is only temporary and the place you end up after you die is forever. That is a long time to be trapped on earth or worse end up in hell with Satan. How can you not believe in the bible which has been around since before most of the people on this planet?

    If we allow gay marriage what next will we allow? Will we allow a man to have multiple wives in this country? Where do we draw the line? Somewhere it has to stop. I do not hate gay people but I cannot and will not go against my beliefs to support their selfish sins. They are not above God and just because men like you say it is ok does not make it ok.
     
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    I agree 100%.

    It is written that "good will become evil and evil will become good." Your post here shows that.

    Isaiah 5:20King James Version (KJV)
    20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    Regarding the end times, all evil will become more abundant. When evil is not only accepted but promoted as well, there will become an abundance of it. Thus the return of our lord and savior....... Jesus Christ.
     
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    Can I tell you?
    It is bad because gay marriage is a special right.
    Special rights are unconstitutional.
     
  20. Matthewthf

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    I am not oppressing anyone. I making a point. If you don't like the truth than so be it. The bible does state marriage is between a man and a woman and anything else is just wrong.
     
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    Did you sleep through the last year? Gay people get the same marriage benefits that straight people get.
     
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    What is the difference between a special right as opposed to a right?
     
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    The bible is not the law of the land. The constitution is the law of the land and judges decided that the constitution doesn't support a ban on gay marriage and thus legalized it.
     
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    Yes, gay people have special and unique benefits that were granted them by Supreme Court of U.S.
    So?
     
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    The First Amendment prohibits the establishment of religion, not morals.
     

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