San Bernardino school shooter fired 10 shots, reloaded once

Let's make it a little harder

 

Pray tell what amounts to being "a little harder" for the sake of this discussion? The state of California already has a ten day waiting period before anyone can legally take possession of a handgun. Handgun purchases require a permit from the state. All handguns must be registered with the state. And a person can only buy one handgun every thirty days. What more can realistically be done that would make the purchasing process more difficult, that would simultaneously serve to prevent incidents like this from occurring as readily as they are?

 

If the availability of guns is the problem, then why is the crime rate so high in those severe gun control areas such as California, DC, Chicago, yet so low in the bordering areas? Gun banners say that the crime rates are so high in DC because people go to Virginia to get guns - but the Virginia crime rate is nowhere near as bad as the DC crime rate. If your claim is correct, Virginia should have a higher crime rate than DC. But they don't, because your argument is wrong.

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And guess what? Its illegal (California law) to transport CA banned firearms into California. California also has laws about registering and recording firearms imported into the state. Its illegal (federal law and California state law) for a gun dealer to sell a handgun to an out-of-state person and give that person possession of the firearm, the firearm has to go to an FFL in that persons home state (even if its a private sale).

There are already both state and federal laws to protect against what you claim is happening. And all those laws are broken when a CA resident goes to Vegas, buys a handgun, and goes back to California. Criminals don't care about your laws.

 

These laws are incredibly easy to break. We need new ones

 

And those laws will be incredibly easy to break, and you will want new ones, and on and on. What is the definition of insanity? Isnt it repeating the same thing expecting a different result? You have no argument.

 

Except reality

 

It's harder to get a revolver in California?

As usual, no knowledge of the subject matter.

 

What makes a law hard to break?

 

That problem does not seem to exist in other first world countries with gun control

 

The ability to drive a few hundred miles and break it easily.

 

Explain that to Charlie Hebdo.

 

Yeah we need to stop people driving a few hundred miles to buy a revolver thats perfectly legal in California.

Genius.

 

The exception that PROVES the rule

 

That makes no sense, given that "The state of California already has a ten day waiting period before anyone can legally take possession of a handgun. Handgun purchases require a permit from the state. All handguns must be registered with the state. And a person can only buy one handgun every thirty days". This shooter broke everyone of those laws, and more, without driving two hundred miles or even leaving the state of California.

 

How do you know that?

 

How? Is there anything to suggest that criminals couldn't get a gun if they wanted to? Maybe those criminals don't want to kill like ours do? Remember the big Spanish bust of the weapons smugglers posted earlier this year? Do you think those were the only ones?

 

And yet gun violence and in france and spain is MUCH less than in the US. And thus my point.

 

He had the background to make him a prohibited person. He either broke those laws, or all those laws the the Democrats in California said would make the citizens safe just don't work. Why should we trust idiots like that to make new ones that are "harder"?

 

It's always been much less. You need to compare the difference in their violence before and after laws and then see how effective laws are.

 

Yes what they do clearly is working. I agree

 

So you don't know. Got it.

 

That'snot how a causal effect is established. You have to look at before/after any change to see the effect.

 

Either he bought it illegally, and the laws don't prevent criminals from getting guns, or he bought it legally and the laws don't prevent murderers from getting a gun. There aren't other options.

 

I agree. We need better laws

 

Pray tell how will these supposedly "better" laws be anymore able to physically prevent a crime from being committed, than the ones that currently exist?