Saudi woman leaves Islam, in fear for her life.

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  1. JET3534

    JET3534 Well-Known Member

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    The explanation seems to be that liberalism is a mental disorder.
     
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    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    I understand that her father is in Bagkok atm..
    I dont think he's there just to take her out to dinner...
     
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    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    Well, who woulda thought.....tell that to the loony left in Australia......
     
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    That's a lot a polls.

    One poll (NOP) listed on that site said almost 25% of British Muslims said the 7/7 attack was justified because of British involvement in Iraq. Another poll (ICM) from another source cited the same incident and claimed that more than 20% understood the motivations, about 99% said the attacks were unjustified.

    The difference between those polls suggest that using those polls as proof of Muslim attitudes is invalid because they are so extremely inconsistent.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good for her. If it weren't for the threat of death, more sane people would reject religion. This religion is not a great deal for women. Men get 70 virgins and women can only hope to spend eternity getting raped by little pieces of terrorist!
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    I don't think the exact numbers are so important as the attitude.
    They are taken at different times, different places, and different groups, so they will vary somewhat.
     
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    Ok, but the overall attitude according to the polls does not support terrorism/killing of innocents.
    I also think there is reason to suspect that the polls were interpreted by certain writers to support their own biases. That's why when no link to the actual poll is provided, the claims about the polls should not be trusted.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Islam promotes terror killing of innocents.
    Non-believers are not innocent.


    Muhammed was a terrorist.
     
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    billy the kid Well-Known Member

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    Mate, I think that we should all cowtow to islam, let them have what they want, and just allow the mosques to be built, allow the muslim rape gangs in the UK, allow the honour killings wherever...just let islam spread throughout the world...allow their muslim enclaves to be created .... allow islam to be taught in schools..Just concede...allow the terrorism, allow all the immigration..why not just turn the other cheek and ignore islam....after all the US constitution allows all this freedom......no....I didnt think so...
     
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    We've been all through that before. You know where I stand on it, I know where you stand.

    Muslims polled about terrorism.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Polls, or peoples personal opinions, have nothing to do with this.
    It's Islamic doctrine.
     
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    There are actually quite a few each year and this has been the case for many years. That's what happens when you have people raised in an Islamist culture where people are taught to have no respect for individual liberty.

    Someone must have forgotten to tell "daddy" that here in the US we respect individual liberty - which includes your daughter such that if she one day decides to wear levi's .. you have no right to kill her.
     
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    If you want gas in your car at reasonable prices, and don't want a return of the long gas lines of the 70's and the empty tanks in the ground, you have to be diplomatic. They have the crude and we don't want to go without.

    Of course we could drill the entire North Slope and probably not have to depend on imported crude.

    If you want to insult the Saudi's, drill baby drill first.
     
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    Lol. Don't you ever get tired of this? It's always some poor, distressed foreign women that we have to save- or children. Never mind that they exist everywhere. Hell, they are running across the border right now. But let's just concentrate on the ones the tv tells us to concentrate on.

    Then when they want you to hate them they'll show you film of them screaming "Alahu akbar".
     
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    Your avatar says it all..I dont think any of the illegals coming across the border are about to be murdered by their father and brother....thats apostacy you see....
    ...one of the many shining lights about islam....
     
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    Nonsense. Christianity is spread through the word of mouth. Christianity produces preachers while Islam produces jihadi warriors. Christianity encircled the entire Mediterranean Sea within 300 years of Jesus death, spread by nothing more than the word of mouth, persecuted every step of the way by the governing authorities. Within 80 years of Muhammads death, the muslims were waging violent jihad in Spain to the West and Afghanistan to the East. The first action of the first Caliphate following Muhammads death was to wage the wars of Apostasy against their own people because they stopped paying the tax to Mecca. Just as the Koran and Hadiths commands them to do. Spreading Christianity through violence directly contradicts the writings of the bible.
     
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    Wow. History fail here, bigly!

    You even mention Spain so you're aware it exists. But you've never heard of the Spanish Inquisition? I could go on with a pretty lengthy list of other occasions where Christians attempted to spread their religion with a lot more force than 'word of mouth', but it's not worth it.
     
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    Gee, that almost sounds like the Christians in Jim Jones's religion:



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    I think you watch to much television... You take the example the news gives you and then project it onto the entire culture or religion. Often, the people who seek to leave Saudi Arabia- or any place- do so as whole families when they can or leave in groups in order to facilitate the removal of their families in the future. The laws that incur these punishments on the populace is not religious in origin, it is the state adopting the veneer of religious authority. Your so obsessed with slandering Islam you can't see it for what it is.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    Actually the laws about apostacy are 100% religious in origin.

    ‘Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him’ Hadith – Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)


    This is one of many times it is recorded.
     
  21. Adfundum

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    Duude. . .
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    If you say so . . .
     
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    Apostates ARE NOT people who "don't follow the religion". They are people who disavow their previous religion of Islam.
     
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    So, does the rule for apostasy follow Hadith or the Quran? Does it follow Muhammad or those who told stories about Muhammad generations after he died? Ahadith means speech, words, advice, and is not the Quran.

    Apostasy is one of those ideas that's not universally accepted in Islam. There are different interpretations of Hadith and it can be quite contradictory. The Quran actually says there should be no compulsion in religion.

    Also, Islam is not a monolithic religion and you know that. It's every bit as splintered and fractured as Christianity. Some are quite strict and some are quite tolerant. Apostasy is really nothing more than a way to control people. It has nothing to religion other than a religion codifies certain rules and allows certain people to hold power. It's a kind of patriotism.
     
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    I see you are not very familiar with Islam.
    The Qur'an is not a source to learn about Islam.
    Nothing survived about Muhammed during his lifetime.
    The companions of Muhammed, were even written from the 10th to 12th century.
    The hadiths is the place where you learn about Muhammed.
    Without them, there is no Muhammed.
    The first writings are 125 years late.
    The first mention of Muhammed in history is 60 years late, but it is unlikely it is him. It is a Christian source that speaks of the "Mahood", ( The chosen one), a title and not a proper name. A title shared by Jesus, Mary, and the 5th calief Malick.
    No mention of the Qur'an, Muslims, Islam, Muhammed, Just "the godless pagans"

    There are volumes written by different authors, many confirming another.
    We know more about Muhammed than we do George Washington.
    We know how he prayed
    We know how he ate
    We know how he sh-t.
    We know his claim to the booty
    We know his favorite killing methods.
    We know his favorite torture methods.
    etc. etc. etc.
     
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    That's a Meccan verse, written when Muhammad was in Mecca with his new religion, and even the people of his own tribe would throw camel dung at him and mock his religion. Then he went to Medina, gained a raiding army of supporters and the Medinan verses were written. Like an old and new testament of the Koran. Then it was written convert or die.

    [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    [2.106] Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better
    than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?

    [16.101] And when We change (one) communication for (another) communication, and Allah knows best what He reveals, they say: You are only a forger. Nay, most of them do not know.

    AND the Hadith, Koran and those who told stories about Muhammad all agree, death for apostates.
     
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