Scared jews leaving europe

says the guy who is using art projects as propaganda material like its a relevant source.

 

Best post on the thread.

I can agree with what you say in so far as it relates also to Germany. Germans do not hate jews at all either.

I have often taken issue with Jack's attempt to reflect his anti-semitic rantings as mainstream European and he naively confirms the false OP by his posts, without realising it. he is Bendor's biggest supporter.

 

The English emigrate in search of the sun.

 

as a christian i didnt find this offensive. i actually laughed. guess your point you were trying to make was a failure.....

ta ta ha ha

 

Well in Germany you would. So what is your point?

 

lmao you derailed this thread and turned it into a jew bashing party (like you do every thread), and now that someone is pointing out your absurd conspiracy theory racist paranoia..... you want to get back to the OP. i know a thread of this nature shouldnt make me physically laugh out loud, but i just did.

 

The "childlike narrative" claim is to date the funniest dismissal of historical record ever.

 

Agreed 100%.

 

since you derail every thread on the forum and turn it into a jew bashing conspiracy laugh festival i think its way overdue that we have a thread that's about you so that the rest of us can laugh at and ridicule you without breaking for the forum rules. would you approve of such a thread so that we wouldn't be breaking the rules?

 

I should have known that tieing Israel's actions in recent decades against the Palestineans to rising global anti-Semitism (especially in Europe) would lead to approval from anti-Semites on the forum and general confusion. So, let me clarify.

No, I am not an anti-Semite. Persecution of Jews over the centuries (especially in Europe) was directly connected to three things - general vilification for their very different lifestyle, distrust over their status as agents for rent collecting and loans in many places, and the fact they made very handy scapegoats for when things went wrong (famine, plague, economic misery, etcetera). Persecution of Jews by Muslims was historically quite mild; it was after 1948 that the humiliation of the Arab defeat at the hands of the Israelis and the permanent ouster of many Palestineans from their lands that the Muslim world started to actively persecute Jews and buy into old European anti-Semitic myths.

You can argue that at this point the Arabs deserved what they got. I don't think anyone has any illusions about what would have happened if the Israelis would have lost that war, so the sheer need for survival explains and excuses their less reputable actions. So how did we get to this point 60-odd years later where Israel is the blatant persecutor of a helpless occupied people who they refuse to make citizens? It's almost a reversal of the history of Jews in Europe, but with the Palestineans playing the role of the Jews.

Is this really what Israel was supposed to represent? Is the cause of a Jewish homeland so important that the Israelis have to permanently blacken their name (and that of Jews in general) in order to achieve it? How can people like Borat be so blind as to not see that these actions are encouraging the average European to just shake their head and say tut-tut when some young Muslim or skinhead carries out an anti-Semitic act.

 

Granny says tell `em...

... come over here...

... we could use a few more physicists...

... an' cancer doctors an' scientists.

 

I bolded the Holocaust denial. Whatever the criticism of Israel (and there is plenty of deserved criticism), there is no justification for this anti-semitism. To equate the plight of Palestinians (which is dire and desperate and for which Israel has much accountability) with that of Jews in Europe is an obscene piece of Holocaust denial. There can simply be no comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany or Palestinians and Jews in that regard. To equate the treatment of Palestinians by Israel with the treatment of Jews by the Nazis is to objectively deny the savagery of the systematic murder of five million people with all its disgusting accoutrements.

Any young muslim or skinhead that carries out an anti-semitic act needs to have his head smashed against the pavement. If they are not dealt with by the rule of law.

I learned this when I was a leftist. I still haven't changed my loathing for Holocaust deniers and Nazis, even if they now find sympathizers and fellow travellers on the Left.

 

Iranian propaganda , is it ? So you'd like to think it untreuu coz you dont like the source ? Hmmm.

Howz this : "The social justice protests we saw exactly a year ago in Israel could not be more different than the renewed wave of rallies that have once again brought people out to the sweltering streets.

Last year, tens of thousands participated in the J14 weekly marches against the high cost of living in Israel and the deterioration of social services. The rallies grew week on week, culminating in nationwide demonstrations on September 3 that brought over 400,000 people to the streets. This was the largest – and most peaceful – protest against capitalism that summer across the globe, not only percentage-wise (6% of the population) but in absolute numbers as well.

There's a different atmosphere on the streets this summer. Polls show there is still widespread support for J14 (named after the day the protest began, July 14), but fewer are participating. Saturday's demonstration, the largest so far, managed to muster just 10,000 people. The ad hoc leadership of the movement has splintered into numerous factions, some calling for more co-operation with the political system, while others want a confrontational approach.

Both the citizens and the state are losing patience. Police are showing less restraint this time round and videos of protesters being beaten have quickly spread across the social networks. Police even brought in a high-tech military surveillance vehicle used in the occupied territories to monitor protesters. And even before the protests started up again, key activists were summoned for interrogation at police stations. On the protesters' side, the confrontational approach took centre stage a few weeks ago when a bank was "occupied" and its windows smashed.

Yet all this changed on Saturday night. Moshe Silman, 57, a son of Holocaust survivors, took a bus from the northern city of Haifa to the protest in Tel Aviv, a bottle of petrol in his hand. Just as the demo was about to end, he doused himself and lit a match. At the time of writing he is in critical condition with third-degree burns covering 94% of his body.

MORE here :http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/18/moshe-silman-self-immolation

AND ANOTHER ONE :

A disabled Israeli war veteran is said to be in a serious condition after setting himself on fire at a bus stop near Tel Aviv.

The man was in dispute with officials in charge of rehabilitating veterans, according to a veterans' group.

Sunday's case came hours before the funeral of Moshe Silman, who died a week after setting himself on a fire at a protest against inequality.

More than 1,000 people took part in vigils for Mr Silman on Saturday.

Israeli police say the latest case of self-immolation happened at a bus stop in Yehud near Tel Aviv.

Passers-by managed to put out the flames but the man, a wheelchair-user, suffered burns to 80% of his body.

'Human tragedy'

There have been other failed attempts to copy Mr Silman's actions in recent days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18946383


Jonsa , trying sticking to facts instead of wishfull thinking + fantasies . (wink)


tata.

 

Which figure is correct?

some of the 1.5 million or 4.5 million or your 5 million or The Doctors 6 million or the 1945 figure of 8 million ?

The plaques at Auchwitz



Taking todays plaque at Auchwitz 1.5 million I would guess that Israel and the US since 1945 far exceeded 1.5 million murdered by their hands and so beat the nazis

 

Have their " heads smashed against the pavement " Hmm good thinking , should we do the same to to Israeli Jews who carry out anti-Arab, hate crimes against Palestinians ?


The Holocaust happened,, cant be undone , no one here denied that it happened IMO it should'nt be used as a whip to silence criticsm/objection to the displacement/dispossession + daily injustices perpetrated by Zionist Jews ,against Palestinians under Israeli militay occupation , should it ?

Shame on those who perennially/ ad nauseum use / exploit the deaths of millions to score cheap points in political discussions.

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Another plaque from Auchwitz Concentration Camp Museum

this one brings the figure of Jews killed by the Nazis below 1 million

"The truth never fears investigation"

 

So how many were gassed and cremated ?

How many died of cold, malnutrition or disease ?

What is the truth if Auchwitz itself is saying less than 1 million Jews?

 

It seems there are no accurate figures , We repeated hear of Jews , coz Gypsies/Homosexuals/disababled Slavs/Magyars + other ethnic minories was often included in overhauls death camp victims.

However , what is often ignored is the overhaul(jew + non-Jew ) Civilian Casualties of World War Two - which is 25 million.

USSR = 7.7 Million
. Poland = 5.3 Million
China = l0.0 Million

see more here :

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/civilian_casualties_of_world_war.htm


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Of course. Where the rule of law does not reach, then rough justice is permitted. Provided it is proportional. Law should prevail first though, as I argued.

No the shame is with those (and those who defend them here) who equate the crimes of Nazi Germany with the crimes of Israel. This is so clearly a minimizing of the Holocaust as to be not just an anti-semitic act, but also an anti-Rroma act. You will see anti-semites coming on here - displaying all their monumental ignorance (suggesting that the Holoocaust is confined just to Auschwitz) with their evil allegation that the crimes against Jews were nothing as compared to the crimes of the UK/USA. Read...your filthy little "no-one is denying it" is destroyed on this very thread by people denying it or minimizing it.

Leftists, equating Israel with Nazi Germany and the fate of Jews in Nazi Gerany with the fate of arabs in Palestine, are objectively denying the scale, evil, abhorrence and barbarity of the Holocaust which is on a completely different scale than that of the IDF.

I have and will continue to criticize the IDF and the State of Israel. I believe in a two state negotiated solution where the starting point for negotiations should be the pre-1967 borders. I think that Israeli settlers are on the whole extremist theocratic racist scum, and note that settlers are on the whole not approved of by ordinary Israelis.

But that in no way makes me sympathetic with Jewbaiting leftists who over and over again, out of spite and malice mostly but occasionally out of ignorance, minimize the extent of the Holocaust by comparing Israel with Nazi Germany. To suggest that the experience of the Palestinians is even close to the experience of european Jewry is an act of denial as to the sheer extent of Jewish persecution in Europe.

If you want to know who uses the deaths of millions to forward their nasty Jewbaiting little agendas then it is those who belittle and minimize those deaths by comparison with entriely different situations today. Leftists comparing Israel with Nazi Germany are the ones doing this. Look in the mirror for shame.
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Do you read the drivel you post. It puts the Jewish deaths in Auschwitz at 1.1million.

Did you (or Marlowe who sanctions this anti-semitic Holocaust denial and sneering at the deaths and the numbers of deaths) actually know that there were other Extermination camps.

Don't the people you hate at least deserve some research on your part.

Chelmno
Belzec
Maidanek
Treblinka
Sobibor

The estimated deaths of Jews at all these camps was over 3 million. Other Jews were killed by Einsatzgruppen in Eastern and central Europe. One method was when for hours on end Jews had to jump to their deaths into graves and were shot mid air. This covered women and children as well. Or Jews were rounded up into halls (in Poland for example) and burned to death. 500,000 people are estimated to have been killed in gas vans. Others died in concentration camps in their thousands (Dachau, Bergen Belsen etc.). Experiments were carried out on children, particularly twins. People were frozen to death to see what happened. The first people gassed were little Rroma children. Whole families died together with the full knowledge that they were about to be systematically exterminated. There is utterly NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER between what happened to European Jewry in the 1940's and what is happening today in Palestine. This can only be asserted by denying that such atrocities have been grossly overstated, exaggerated or invented. Such assertions are Holocaust denial. They are objectively neo-Nazi acts.

 

I was raised Christian ( C of E ) . I doubt many other practicing Church attending christians would find it as funny as you do.


Now P .O.


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No, they've not gone , but I've heard of some who went to Israel a few years ago , have returned , looks like they cant get along with other Jews.
Even the crooked ones want to come back to Blighty. .

LOL


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Oh fer fuks sake , who the fuk denied the Holocaust . ? Desist/ stop your foolish nonsense , using the deaths of others to score a cheap point. - Shame on you.!



go read my post #165 .


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The educated/intelligent ones know better , they NOT leaving. (wink)

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