"Science, Politics, And COVID: Will Truth Prevail?"

Why is that not a workable solution? You have it there, why not here? It seem like it’s no problem there whatsoever. And we already know we can wear masks here, so why not?

 

I do not live there any longer, I am now in the US. And people do not wear mask all the time and it is not mandatory. They were them when they feel ill and have to be out in public. That is what I would like to see in the US, people caring about others on their own.

 

ok, well said in that post. My info on Covid including census, statistics on the deceased, also comes from the local hospital via my relationship as well. I post on covid from an informed perspective with real numbers, and not hysteria

 

Sure I mean I can understand that then. But still why not wear masks all the time then?

 

If that is what you wish to do I fully support your right to do so.

If a business wishes to require them I fully support their right to do so.

I do not support making them mandatory by law.

 

Thus idiots can say"__WillReadmore

My view of your definition of an idiot is anyone who dares to disagree with YOU.

Some very distinguished scientists from Oxford and Stanford do not agree with
your opinions regarding Covie --so they are idiots.

Start quote.
"This is the reality: those who insist that universal mask usage has absolutely
proven effective at controlling the spread of the COVID virus and is universally
recommended according to “the science” are deliberately ignoring the evidence
to the contrary. It is they who are propagating false and misleading information.

Those who say it is unethical, even dangerous, to question broad population mask
mandates must also explain why many top infectious disease scientists and public
health organizations question the efficacy of general population masking. Tom
Jefferson and Carl Heneghan of the University of Oxford’s Centre for
Evidence-Based Medicine, for instance, wrote that “despite two decades of
pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of
wearing masks.” Oxford epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta says there is no need
for masks unless one is elderly or high risk. Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya has
said that “mask mandates are not supported by the scientific data. . . . There
is no scientific evidence that mask mandates work to slow the spread of the
disease.”
End quote

Science, Politics, and COVID: Will Truth Prevail? - Imprimis (hillsdale.edu)

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The Good News:

Covie is on the run.

Covie he soon be Walgreen'd to death.

Even now signs are going up "Hey come on in and get vac'd.

Soon very soon there will be signs up everywhere for everybody "Get Vac'd Today
And Uncle Sugar Will Pay For It"

My wife and I already got our 1st Covie vaccine and we're scheduled to
get our 2nd Covie shot March 26.

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In another vein , ,

Here is an interest-grabbing tidbit relating to Covie -- from Townhall.

Start quote.
"Understand That Some People :Love The Pandemic."
"It might not occur to you, because you are not a bizarre wierdo,
but a lot of people really love the pandemic. Not just the little
fascist gnome who changes his #science advice more often
than a Wellesley girl changes her preferences during her
sophomore year experimental phase, and not just the
fascist pols who get off on exploiting their emergency
powers to boss people around, but even some regular
people. The masks, the paranoia, the constant talk about
vaccines – some people love this stuff.


This is their Woodstock.

And they never want it to end."
End quote.
Understand That Some People Love the Pandemic by Kurt Schlichter (townhall.com)

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Best.


JAG


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But why not? I don't understand. It's not freedom if you're encouraging people to die. Why not have those masks mandatory out in public? We require other thing like clothing to be out in public. Why not add masks to that equation?

 

Clothing is required due to nudity laws, there is no equivalent to wearing mask. I supported mask in the short term to get the virus under control, but there is no reason whatsoever to keep wearing them.

When we are making laws we always need to err on the side of freedom, not the other way around. I am against seat belt laws and helmet laws. I am against smoking bans anywhere but on airplanes.

We could save more lives by making everyone drive no more than 30mph no matter what road they are on than we can making everyone wear a mask whenever they step outside their house. Would you support such a law?

 

Why bother having that freedom if it means more people will unnecessarily die without it? I don't understand why that "more freedom" is preferable.

Because we can do that through different measures. Safety emissions for example can reduce asthma cases. We don't have to sacrifice one to get the other. But what about masks? How do we build a safer society without masks? We would need to implement other changes.

 

I cannot help you with that. If you cannot understand the importance of freedom there is nothing anyone can do to show it to you. There are worse things than death, and living without freedom is one of them.

That does not help the close to 40,000 people every year that lose their lives in car crashes. Put restrictors on all cars so they cannot go more than 30mph and you would save so many lives every year.

How about booze? Almost 100,000 people die every year to do alcohol. Why are you not fighting to ban it as well? That would do far more good than making me wear a mask when I walk out my door.

And do not get me started on junk food, get rid of that and all fast food joints and the number of lives saved and money saved on the over weight is far more than anything a mask could do.

That is what things like the vaccine are for. We managed to drop flu deaths by 80% in a couple decades without making everyone wear a mask, if we can do it with the flu we can do it with other viruses.

 

I understand the value of freedom. I just ask what good is your freedom of religion if you're too tired to go to church?

All those are great examples of how policy change can save lives. We've been decreasing in the number of car accidents by increasing the drinking age to 21. We improved car safety standards and have safety regulators make sure they're safe. Heck we have nutrition labels on food so you know what you're eating. I don't know how you can stand there and say "we can't stop everyone from dying so don't do anything about it". That just sounds incredibly defeatist, like you've already lost.

 

I do not have to go to church to practice my religion.

Yet they are all half measurers that leave some freedom, something you are not willing to do with the mask wearing. When i see you fighting to get rid of booze then I will take your mask ideas more seriously.

 

If a pandemic disease such as this COULD be eradicated, this is exactly what it would look like to do so.

There was a time when polio was seen as endemic in the US.

 

Info from one hospital or all hospitals within 100 miles of you doesn't

You failed to counter anything I said.

After March 26, you still need to wear a mask and social distance.

 

The only counter I'm interested in today is a ultra-crowded check out counter
at Walmart and Sam's Club -- an indication that normal people are getting back
to normal activity, in spite of the Fear-mongering of the Health Nazis.

Regarding wearing face diapers: You can live in your world and I will live in my
world. At the present time I am not interested in the opinions of the Health Nazis
and the so-called "Expert" Medical Community who contradict themselves
regularly and are accomplished Scare-mongers and Fear-Mongers preying
on a gullible public.

Put this quote on your refrigerator:

"Americans should never shake hands again"___Dr. Fear-Mongering Foochie

No more hugs either, eh, Dr. Foochie?

JAG


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not to strangers at least.

 

/grin
I hear ya.

JAG


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Is there anything AT ALL that you would do to cause fewer people to die in America?

 

Is there anything at all you can show that supports the silly claim that you or the government have any power at all to control how many people die in America?

 

I'm not interested in your pseudo science.
I'm not interested in your Fear-mongering and your Scare-mongering.
I'm not interested in a Casper Milk-Toast cream-puff approach to living life.

A strong scientific case can be made, and has been made, that the present
Fear-mongering "solutions" to Covie by the so-called "experts" has CAUSED
UNNECESSARY HUMAN DEATHS. Add to that FACT, the FACT that the
so-called "science" behind the present "expert" Fear-mongering is highly
debatable and NOT settled science.

Then in another vein you can feast on these 8 reasons why you ought NOT
to wear a mask:
8 Reasons Why I Don’t Wear A Mask And You Probably Shouldn’t Either by Scott Morefield (townhall.com)

JAG

 

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy (technocracy.news)

 

Mask-Wearing: It's About Social Control:
"To those looking to benefit politically from emergencies, COVID
presents an opportunity to advance plans targeted to transform
American freedom and the American way of life,” McCann writes.
“Mandatory-masking policies provide a valuable foundation to
weaponize the virus against American liberty—now and in the
future.”
Source:
8 Reasons Why I Don’t Wear A Mask And You Probably Shouldn’t Either by Scott Morefield (townhall.com)

 

LINK: 9 Side Effects of Wearing Face Masks (msn.com)
And THIS is from MSN

Here is one:
Start quote:
3. They Can Restrict Your Airflow
"Face masks make breathing more difficult," points out Lazzarino in his letter. "For people with COPD"—that's chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, which causes a decreased air flow—"face masks are in fact intolerable to wear as they worsen their breathlessness. Moreover, a fraction of carbon dioxide previously exhaled is inhaled at each respiratory cycle. Those two phenomena increase breathing frequency and deepness, and hence they increase the amount of inhaled and exhaled air."

The Rx: "This may worsen the burden of COVID-19 if infected people wearing masks spread more contaminated air," he continues. "This may also worsen the clinical condition of infected people if the enhanced breathing pushes the viral load down into their lungs." If you feel you have COVID-19, you should quarantine yourself away from others and remove the mask. Contact a medical professional to discuss the next steps.
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is a website that allows wingnuts to rant about anything too liberal for them, which is nearly everything. It is further to the right than the National Review Online. Like Salem Radio Network it is owned by Salem Communications. It represents all of the loudest sects of the American right, including hardline neoconservatism, the religious right, and some paleoconservatives.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Townhall.com

 

The article says, if used thoughtlessly, the masks can also cause unwanted side effects.