Please, carefully read what I said because I do not write so good. "How many remember being a kid in a class room and being told by "teacher" it was just coincidental that South America looked like a puzzle piece from Africa and knowing "teacher" was wrong! " Anyone experience that ? " I am not challenging what you say above. I remember being a kid NOT believing teacher who said it was coincidence. The fifties. It's about challenging the best Science of the time, even as a kid. I am saying, sometimes we might know the "best science of the day" is NOT correct. Well maybe you don't. Cholesterol theory is another example of "best science of the day" getting it wrong. We are cholesterol; sex hormones, parts of cell membranes, Vit. D, some adrenal hormones, etc. I am addressing challenging science on this thread and not accepting it all as SCIENCE - The Faith of Modern Times. Oh I believe Oh I believe Unquestioning Science Worship rah, rah, rah Tell me it ain't so ? Question: Anyone here remember the fifties and being told by teacher that it was coincidence that South America looked like a puzzle piece fitting in Africa, and not believe it was coincidence? Am I clearer now ? Would anyone care to comment on the two links way, way above or offer up another apocryphal science story here that just may be correct? How about that 700,000 year old skull upsetting Out of Africa science. Moi r > g View attachment 30483
That's what people were saying when Hiroshima went up in a giant fireball. There's no 'maybe' about it; nuclear fission is real enough.
when you dig up an article from a website full of tabloid science instantly makes it difficult for anyone to take it seriously... That the date of the skull is questioned is irrelevant, it does not challenge the out of africa hypothesis...what you have is racist anthrpologist pushing a greek uber race agenda...
LOL!!!! You DO realise you proved my point...do you not? NOTHING of what you posted applies to the Scientific Method. AboveAlpha
100 years ago we thought the Milky Way was the only galaxy in the universe. A mere 23 years ago, we thought our solar system was the only one with planets. The explosion in human knowledge is becoming more and more exponential. We don't know what we don't know. But we're learning more and more every single day.
As I stated...if the Scientific Method is used PROPERLY....it excludes the possibility of the word DOGMA being applicable to it. AboveAlpha - - - Updated - - - That is the whole point of using the Scientific Method. It is a TOOL to help us understand reality. AboveAlpha
OK...you have watch one too many UFO'S HELPED BUILD STONEHENGE show too many. It would be difficult but Modern Humanity is MORE THAN CAPABLE of building things like the Pyramids, Stonehenge....statues at Luxor and Giza...and we could very easily build such other Monolithic creations such as exist in the America's. It is not an issue of Modern Human's taking the time to build the proper machinery to lift 100 Metric Ton stone blocks as this is not something we tend to use as building materials these days....as we very easily could. The question is how did ancient human civilization build what they did without modern machines? Well....I happen to watch a show how the Egyptian's first piles up huge amounts of sand in order to slide Pyramid Blocks into place at height. This was reproduced by a bunch of Archaeologists and their Grad Students as they used a combination of sand, Man Power, Leverage, Cranes...all built out of materials easily available to the Egyptian's. Understand....Modern Human's are more than capable of moving stone blocks weighing a 1000 times or more heavier than those used in Stonehenge or the Pyramids. We simply just don't do this or have a need to do it but as an example...take a look at the tack vehicle that used to move the Space Shutte to it's lauch platform. The Space Shuttle weighs in at 4,470,000 lbm or 2030 Tons.....it also carries and additional payload of 53,600 lbs or an additional approx. 261 Tons and that makes 2291 Tons...never mind the solid rocket boosters and main fuel tank. The The Crawler-Transporters that moved the Saturn V Rockets and Space Shuttle ALONE weigh 5,999,000 lbs. So we are perfectly capable of designing and building machines and equipment capable of contructing the Pyramids in a much faster time than the ancients. And REMEMBER....the Ancients that built such impressive Monolithic Structures DID SO WITH THE AID OF SCIENCE AND MATHEMATICS....without these they could not have built them. AboveAlpha
As usual, Moi disagrees with a "color inside the lines" Please, clarify the skull and its' significance or lack of. Archaic Humanoids did make it into EuroAsia sooner then the "School of Sacred Science" teaches. True ? Please, clarify the significance of the 700,000 year old skull against accepted scientific dogma. Or is the skull not true ? Or the ones found in Georgia, the Dmanisi. 1.8 Million years. Both - Inconvenient Science. True ? Moi r > g No View attachment 30488
If the find is valid then this changes the record and this is completely acceptable via the Scientific Method. AboveAlpha
And what do YOU think of it AboveAlpha Moi believes "Science" is too full of faith based followers to really consider this skull or the others mentioned above. And we know wyly the believes if it isn't in a hard bound textbook, it ain't so. True ? Does anyone relate with being a kid and knowing teacher was incorrect stating it was coincidence that South America looked like it fit in Africa. Anyone ? ? Moi r > g View attachment 30489 Make them color outside the lines
no that's what happens when you link to tabloid science and 50+ year old debates, even when I was in uni dates for 600k in spain were discussed, dates in england are now at 700k+, estimates for first european occupation range from 800 to as much 1.2 million years...so you're making a arguement on a 50 yr old dispute...and none of the early dates challenge the out of africa theory. .. Maybe you can dig up 14th century science debate proving the world is flat...
This is not in one of my fields of study but I do read about such finds when they occur. We have fossil records going back about 5 Million years for our ancient human ancestors....Modern Humans....once called Cro-Magnon....as well as a splinter species of Humanity...Neanderthal which did breed with Cro Magnon...of which most people have both human species in their Genomes...did not exist 700,000 years ago so this skull is most likely a more ancient ancestor of Humanity. Please provide a LINK and I can find out which one. AboveAlpha
he/she is promoting a personal hypothesis that humanity evolved separately in different corners of the globe, that chinese and greeks as in the article are unique and not the same as the rest of humanity...they're more special than the rest of us, an uber race...
Didn't mention UFOs or Alien help building stuff. I don't believe that they did, I doubt that they exist. Here's my quote about not being able to duplicate feats that the ancients produced; " Many(please note the word 'many', it doesn't mean all) of our 'really knowledgeable engineers and scientists' say that we 'modern gadgeteers' couldn't duplicate what ancient man constructed thousands of years ago even with our marvelous gadgets". My point was and is, we don't know how they did it. We can speculate, we can duplicate with some success..but we still don't know for certain. My biggest question would be; if science has it right, the pyramids with all their math and geometry were constructed by people barely out of the stone age. You don't question that? Did those 'Archaeologists and their Grad Students' build a complete pyramid including chambers and passageways?
Uhhh..yes...I've had this exact discussion with moi a number of times the skull in greece and the greek anthropologist behind the claim moi has presented before....moi isn't pushing a racist agenda but links to those that do...greeks and chinese arent like the rest of us according to moi's sources, but genetics verify that they are exactly like the rest of us, one big related family...
we can match anything the ancients did and better...the only mysteries are how they accomplished what they did with the technology they had, technology that has been lost because we moved on to better technologies...
I recommend you study up a bit on the scientific process, and the ways in which it forms theory. What you seem to be complaining about actually IS the process, which is ephemeral and ongoing. Very few theories ever become so completely confirmed as to be considered law...so we continue the research into them until they can be discredited or confirmed. How's that study of the Bible(s) coming along? Surely you have confirmed the "God" hypothesis by now....you've had a couple thousand years to do so.
So now it is arrogance to voice a fact? The fact being science in large part has been tentative since its inception? Not all of science, mind you, but much of it. And that scientific knowledge even when correct is still limited? If you ignore the fact of science, historically, you start to worship it like some god. Not much different from the religious, except their concepts do not change, but science does. I am not anti science. I think it is the best thing the brain of man has ever come up with. But I see its weaknesses. You obviously are not that intelligent? No offense, but that too seems apparent.
What facts have you presented?...Opinions that are created in your own head and pulled out of your butt...just because it's yanked out your butt these opinions must therefore be true?....yeah thats extreme arrogance and ignorance...
Yes for the most part applauded. But not all. Think Atom Bomb. Think biological warfare, chemical warfare. But I applaud them for they have given us more good than bad. I hope we use science to build a new resource based economy once capitalism implodes.
Once capitalism implodes? What will that look like, I wonder? Once this happens (it wont), will government swoop down and make everything right by force? You progressives are so out of touch from reality that I can't even begin to comprehend your worldview. Who will grow food? Who will ship it? To where? Why? Who will process it, for who? With what machinery? Built by who? Once money stops having value, you think people will work for fun? What about international trade? I've got a harsh reality for you when capitalism "implodes". Hunger.
The trend of our current version of rampant capitalism is likely to end in revolution eventually. We are watching a new version of the French Revolution.
yeah, you can see the inevitable coming, short term profit capitalism can't continue indefinitely...growing populations, changing climatic conditions and finite resources, there is an unavoidable tipping point on the horizon and a time when its all going to come together...of coarse a basic knowledge of science is needed and an ability to see the bigger long range picture...short goal capitalists don't look that far ahead just what's in for me right now. ...greed is blinding...
