scientific evidence of God

Not true. You are not looking for debate. None of you Bible bashers are. I've seen enough of your posts to know that. So take it or leave it as offered. Or email the author. See how long he will put up with your disingenuous questions and concerns. Your mind is made up. It's over.

 

I am looking for actual scientific proof of the existence of a deity that doesn't involve false assumptions or logical fallacies, but instead has empirical evidence.

You got anything like that?

I already poked two massive holes in your "proof". If you are not going to defend it, then I can only assume you are conceding defeat in this debate.

 

Gave it to you.

 

You gave me false assumptions and logical fallacies. Where is your empirical evidence?

 

Says you. You've lost.

 

You abandoned the defense of your own source. You are the one who has lost.

 

Don't pout. Accept defeat gracefully.

 

Where were your answers to the two challenges I posed again? Oh, yeah, you said you refuse to defend your own source.

You lose.

 

All over the place. Read and learn.

 

You have offered no counter to either point I brought up. Why won't you stop lying? You know bearing false witness is a sin.

 

Uh oh! The God hater is quoting Scripture? And insulting his fellow man by slander? How do you square the two? You've got issues son.

 

I called a spade a spade. You are lying and lying in your religion is a sin.

 

You haven't really posted any science that backs up your claim, you have simply posted some science then attempted to use it to justify your claim. For example, our science is used to explain the universe in which we live. Since none of us reading this know if our universe is a single entity or a part of an infinite "multi-verse" as science can also prove plausible then energy to matter and matter to energy only applies to our universe not to others. For example in m-theory our universe could have been created by two membranes existing in different planes colliding and creating the big bang. Big bangs could be happening constantly creating universes like ours or universes completely different all with different laws of physics. There could be universes where gravity doesn't exist. Because we as a species aren't smart enough to understand it doesn't prove gods existence, it just proves man is not smart enough to understand it. In order to prove something exists, you need proof not an opinion. Religion is a clever way to explain away our existence. There is just as much "proof" we were created by pure accident.

 

Wow and here I thought you weren't just another troll theist pretending to want to have a debate.

 

Most of us in this thread seem to have made that mistake.

 

Had I seen the other post about some gallop poll proving the existence of God I would have known better.

 

Indeed. IMO the OP is not here for debate, but to pontificate.

 

You didn't reply to any of the points I brought up with any validating information...

What information do you have to support your idea that God created everything. What proof, which can be shown to another? Simply pointing at things and saying "isn't it obvious" is not a good answer either, nor is pointing at a book.

 

Hypothetical experiment? Then experiment has a quality of all-presence and all-mightiness?

 

It appears you have no clue what a scientific hypothesis is.

for your edification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis

 

Wiki is a good project, but it is not perfect and not scientific enough. But if you want to use anything then read yourself:

"A scientific hypothesis is a proposed explanation of a phenomenon which still has to be rigorously tested."

Now you have two options. You agree that you was wrong and come out of discussion stronger and more knowledgeable with my respect and the banner of truth and all-the-goodness. Or you can insist on some of my ignorance trying to prove that hypothesis is an experimentation...

Well. My point is that a man has brains and he uses this brains before having a theory, plan of actions and background knowledge of everything that exists. This really separates the wit of one's mind off scientific theories and illustrative experiments. This also makes a guy like Plato or Aristotle wiser then a sixformer who knows from his classes that the Earth is round and not flat. You want to insist on your belief into what you were shown at school? That's your problem really. Before making an experiment the scientist already knows what should be the result. If you want to prove that a man has no brains and only different kind of experiments done without thinking make his knowledge then you have all the chances to prove it experimentally.

 

Aw Come ON, willya? The OP's supposed big deal that nobody's ever heard of before is nothing more than Aquinas" Prime Mover or First Cause. It is patently false because it does nothing more than beg the question, "OK, God Created Everything because everything had to be created, so, WHO CREATED GOD?"

At which point the proper fundie's response is to shout "Blasphemy" and call the Inquisition. This response is a little outdated since the main SCIENTIFICALLY ACCEPTED theory of "Where did the Universe come from?" is that "It all did indeed come into being from nothingness" in the Big Bang and this theory was, in fact, proposed by a JESUIT PRIEST, Georges Lemaitre.

To use another argument, God is, by definition, a transcendent being, which means that his nature cannot be understood because he...uh...TRANSCENDS it. And since you must know the nature of something to prove that it exists then IF YOU COULD PROVE HIS EXISTENCE HE WOULD NOT BE GOD

Now can we PLEASE stop with this simple minded bull(*)(*)(*)(*)? I get SOO tired of some fundie coming in here telling me this 12th century crap as if he and he alone, just thought it up

 

Asked and answered.

 

I posted my scientific evidence and you rejected it. Just because you can't handle the truth is no reason to whine and call names. Grow up.

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According to you.

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I see the God bashers are getting impatient because i won't play their game.

 

That is because most of you participate in these types of threads to simply bash God and spew your bigotry. Find another chew toy. I've discussed this ad nauseum. These types of threads enrage you and your kind. And all of you will foam at the mouth every time you see anyone put up their POV on the subject. You don't like it? Stay out of the thread. Tell your buddies to calm down while your at it.

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Focus on this post buddy. This is the one that is pissing you guys off. You self anointed geniuses don't like the science? Email the author. But I'm sure that will never happen. Lack of guts would be the primary reason.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=349535&p=1063754681#post1063754681