Scotland - it should not be allowed to secede

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  1. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely not.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...-1300-more-spending-despite-oil-tax-drop.html





    Some real actual facts would be very good.
     
  2. Pro-Consul

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    And yet you did so to me. So clearly I must have insulted you in order to warrant such malice.
    Representation of the people act 1918. Any citizen holding a UK passport is entitled to vote in the general election and that also extends to commonwealth nations as well.
    No you didn't with that one
    No I didn't say I won't accept it. You just haven't provided anything to support your claim.
    No it doesn't. If you look at the Scottish government website and then click on the financial reports you will clearly see that general revenue is paid to the Scottish government and not earmarked to go to Westminster.
    That's rubbish. HMG pays for the shortfall as well as EU structural funding.
    And that is in the financial reports as well.
    That's the thing with the "oil fund" or the sovereign wealth fund as outlined by the SNP.
    It's not possible to reach the £30bn mark as the 30 year estimate for N.Sea oil is a very liberal one and even before then most companies will reach the point of profitability long before then which will result in a reduced revenue and further strain on an independent Scotland's budget.
    No that's paid by all of Britain taxpayers as well bond owners and return on government investments.
    Actually it has. Central government has been instrumental in providing additional monies for city councils which has led to all those rather smart city centres that you will see in the vast majority of Britain's cities
    No it isn't. It's under strain but not on the verge of collapse. In fact public health remains one of the biggest expenditures for the government as well as education.
    And we do actually have some of best services in Europe.
    No I will not continue unless you promise not to cast insults or label individuals as one which is exactly what you've written.
    And that applies for all as well.
    I'm also sorry to hear of your poor eyesight and I'll try to be as accommodating as possible.
     
  3. mairead

    mairead New Member

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    you wanted facts, Sorry if the facts I gave are not what you and Lil wanted to hear, but still they are facts.That you and Lil choose not to believe them is entirely up to you but your disbelief does not alter the facts in the slightest.
     
  4. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    They are not facts. They are either wishful thinking on your part or fallacies, as I showed you.
     
  5. smevins

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    Scotland shouldn't do it for numerous reasons, but to the extent they are allowed a choice, it should be the choice of the people who live in Scotland, not the choice of people residing elsewhere.
     
  6. diamond lil

    diamond lil Well-Known Member

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    And that's exactly how it is. They should make an informed choice, though.
     
  7. mairead

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    Sorry Lil, but your imagination is running riot. You are the one believing in fallacies, but as I said believe what you will. I didn't come on here to convince you of anything, just to put some facts across. You reject these facts, that's just fine. You are entitled to your misguided beliefs.
    The people of Scotland will make their decision next week and that will be that.
     
  8. smevins

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    London has gotten very bad about sucking up revenue and denying it to much more deserving pursuits elsewhere in the UK from what I have read. It seems like they are getting disproportionate shares of about every revenue stream available. Not a good situation on the heels of austerity.
     
  9. ThirdTerm

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    The latest poll has found that support for remaining in the UK has risen to 52% and support for a yes vote was at 48% but
    YouGov found last week that the yes camp took a two-point lead over no by 51% to 49%. Polls showed that the yes campaign has gained ground in the last few months and the outcome of the independence referendum is still uncertain. The Scots are ethnically and culturally different from Britons and there is nothing unnatural about Scottish independence and the Scottish people had no say when the Union with England Act was originally passed in 1706.

    [video=youtube;1EVnK-pNxaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EVnK-pNxaA[/video]
     
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    You haven't presented anything
     
  11. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I support Scottish secession from the UK as much as I do Crimean secession from Ukraine and Texan secession from the USSA.
     
  12. munter

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    it's the liberals who allow it, and the wives too - UK is now a joke nation
     
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    Crimea cannot be compared with Scotland.
     

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