Scotland

I'm the 'confused haverer'?

Out of the UK and out of the EU = independence. In the the EU = submission. Just as continuing to use sterling = submission on monetary policy to Westminster.

Once in the EU, obviously you'll be subjected to the same huge body of law as all the other member states. You can't have it both ways Viv, either you're constrained or you're not. Independent or not.

The UK hasn't bullied Scotland for many decades. We have one person, one vote, and therefore democratically elected, though crap, governments. If you think Westminster is the bully, you must love the EU. Or are is it only bullying when done by a democratically elected government you disagree with, but not when being done by a bureaucracy that you have no control over?

And no country can 'weight the tables' in its own favour in the EU unless it has the support of other countries. Other countries will support one another if it suits them. It's a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours horse trading sort of approach.

What are you wittering about? Did I say they were not? It's you that wants to leave the UK and be in the EU.

But your support for EU membership is relevant to Scotland's status as an independent nation. Like it or not.

You're the confused one here, Viv. Democracies depend on an inquiring, thinking, electorate and a free investigative press. If they have those, dishonest unscrupulous politicians are found out, but without them they flourish.

How on earth do you think your link backs up anything you've said, or disproves anything I've said?

I'm not even trying to direct you. Nevertheless your position complaining about Westminster is tedious given that the Scottish parliament can call a referendum whenever it chooses, allowing the Scottish people to vote for secession from the UK. The SNP is stalling. Grow up and deal with it.

 

Scottish Independence? Are you sure that you are a Scotsman ?
Maybe you anyone else ,but not scot, and generally how to be Scotsman?
In any case, separatism - it is not politically correct meaning.LOL
No toleration for other races and peoples.May be you are black? And you are scotsman then.LOL

 

People of this forum, I haven't seen this one till today as I am busy with my exams. Now this guy has let me down, for the first time and forever. Viv, highlander, everyone, you may not waste your time with his posts anymore... He's actually talking all by himself and delighting in himself, enjoying his thoughts by himself and answering his own questions. You were right from the very beginning, he's hopeless. ...and makes us talk by ourselves too.

TO TAMORA:
It wasn't about travelling anywhere you noob. If I really wanted to go anywhere I could at any time in the same way I could drive from Athens to Lisbon without having to show one single document to anyone anywhere. I already said it's not about papers and borders anymore. It's about politics and social forms that should not differ from EU member to EU member.

And what the (*)(*)(*)(*) is this:

Don't worry. Nobody, absolutely nobody needs your country or your money, your services or your smiles, your hello or your thank you. You can take the last five and go far far away and wash the floors with them. Having Romanian citizenship doesn't mean you are a Romanian. Romania, like Bulgaria, Slovakia, the Czech Republic and most Central/Eastern Europe have a very significant % of gypsy ethnics who settled here in the 17th century. Many of them are homeless, living on the streets, therefore are natural criminals and travel anywhere. But in Romania like in all the other mentioned, they are a minority not a majority. They are non-European race. They have Central Asian/Indian origin having nothing to do with Europe ethnically speaking and gypsies from all former communist republics not just from Romania seek Western Europe since 1989.

You can check my profile picture and also my album I'll upload in a minute to ensure yourself of my own ethnic identity and ask yourself whether you've ever seen any criminals with Romanian citizenship and looking like this.

 

Umm, Vlad, you contradict yourself. You spoke about visiting Stockholm to improve your Swedish and said there are a thousand things in your way, so much so that you would never see Stockholm. Now you say you can drive anywhere! Actually, isn’t Romania a non-Schengen country? You do need ‘papers’ to travel to Schengen countries like Sweden until 2014. The UK is also a non-Schengen country, so even British citizens need at least passports to travel from or to the UK and to or from Schengen or other countries. People do of course travel illegally, so in that sense we can travel anywhere.

The majority of the people of the UK don’t want politics ended between EU member states and the UK and that is reflected in UKIP’s success * (and that of the Conservatives who take a eurosceptic line) in European elections, because to do so would mean even more power for EU institutions at the expense of our national parliament, so I disagree profoundly with you on what should and should not differ.

UK immigration figures strongly suggest that you are completely wrong. And the Romanians I have worked with came here, not because of our smiles, but because they can earn more and are financially much better off. This is also borne out by official figures. Opportunities for petty thieves are also better.

Did you miss the bit where I said Romanians are fine upstanding people? The “some” Romanians we have had trouble with here might not be ethnically Romanian, but I’m afraid that is irrelevant when they have Romanian passports and are must be treated as EU citizens on exactly the same basis as Romanians. The EU cares a great deal about the rights of minorities. Of course people have migrated in large numbers from all sorts of countries, but we just don’t have the infrastructure or the space to cope with an ever bigger population. The government has in recent years become very clever at guilt tripping the population into accepting more house building to accommodate an ever larger population.

I have no interest in what you look like and I don’t care what your ethnicity is, but if we have a skills shortage that we cannot fill that you can, I’d be happy to welcome you on a work visa basis, but if you prefer another country or prefer to stay where you are, then I wish you every success and happiness.

It does not matter what I think, it does not matter what the UK parliament thinks, it does not matter what the UK prime minister or his cabinet think. We may not refuse Romanians, or those who hold Romanian passports whatever their ethnic origins entry, likewise with Bulgarians, because this is EU policy. I have nothing against limited numbers of individual law abiding immigrants at all, but the numbers are unsustainable. The fact that some immigrants break our laws just makes a bad policy even worse.

Mass immigration is something that does not and has never had the support of the majority of the British public. The next round from Romania and Bulgaria will just deepen the divide between people and politicians.

Tamora, btw, is a girl’s name and is also the name of a Shakespeare villainess. I am female.

* These two parties have not registered any success in Scotland, but their support in England is clear in European elections and the English make up by far the majority of the UK population.

 

Quote - This is also borne out by official figures. Opportunities for petty thieves are also better.
Aye right enough, your Tory reprobates, Bankers and royality and there hangers on do seem to have there thieving fingers in many pies! Anything else ..... is small change!

Ooooh and do you know the original meaning of Tory? Bang on the mark!

the reason your bigoted parties cannot do well up here ....... education is still being taught in our schools..... so far!

Greed isn't our motto, empathy and humanity still rules my nation! But then we are only 6 million! Small is good.

Regards
Highlander

 

Time to get the swords out of the thatch and have a go at the brits? I do love you guys tape though specially the magic stuff.

 

So tell it to a Tory. You might remember I'm not a Tory? You could also tell a fawning bank bailout supporter (like your Alex Salmond), not to forgetting the Labour party which has some of the biggest fraudsters in parliament. Most MPs are not thieves, but only because they are the legislators and their laws allow them to behave as they have. And what about SNP reprobates? Scotland’s first minister, Alex Salmond for one. He couldn’t wait to get his pudgy little fingers on the tens of thousands given to politicians who are retiring from politics. What was that all about? He has no intention of retiring from politics and has refused to give up his gold plated pension, with only mealy mouthed excuses to offer by way of explanation. Empathy and humility rule your nation? Greed isn’t their motto? Get real. They’re all hypocrites. And what is small change is obviously a matter of opinion.

And as for royalty, in which pies do they have thieving fingers? What are you talking about?, I know they, along with many other extremely wealthy people, claim a fortune under the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy, which must be one of the biggest frauds on the planet. UKIP would not allow any contributions to or payments from it to anyone in the UK, but so far royalty has done nothing that could be said to be illegal and royalty doesn't legislate or bleat hypocritically about ‘fairness’.

If there is evidence of theft, why is Salmond sure that he wants the Queen as your head of state on separation from the UK?

Yes, I do. Tell it to a Tory. And ooooh, shame you didn’t take advantage of this education and learn the correct use of “there” and how to spell properly then. And any teacher of our language would cringe to see such excessive use of the exclamation mark.

And why specifically, do you think the Tories and UKIP are bigoted? Incidentally, Do you know what the word means? Some would say you are the bigoted one.

Excessive socialism is no less greedy that than excessive capitalism. It just benefits different interest groups at the expense of those who earn the money they spend. But socialism suits Scotland in a way it doesn't suit England or me. I also believe in fairness.

 

Ooooh am I being cynical, do you know the original meaning of tory, YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED! Is this ignorance? Is this bigotry? I await your answer!


You're a pig, a tory trough and through, you know not your history or the bigotry to which you belong.

Or you do and haven't the humanity to know the degenerates to which you belong.



But .....Have a nice day, anything else is wasted to the likes of you! Are you a woman's libber as well? Or just ignorant of your degenerate leaders?

Highlander

 

Oksey, dokesy Tamora........let's do upfront and honest here and forget your political bias...let's do real life....if you were in a position to get a pension due to you through your employment...would you be refusing to accept it? If you were in a position to get a pay-off because you resigned from your job which entitled you to a golden parachute resettlement payment, the same as every other employee, would you be putting half of it into a charity, as Salmond did. While he was an MP and MSP, Salmond paid a figure equivalent to his MSP salary into the trust. A trustee said his latest donation will bring his total contribution to more than £80,000, so he had already paid £55,000 plus into the trust before he got what you are whining about. Would you have done that, if you could have? HONESTLY? How many other MPs/MSPs who sat in both houses have done the same?

So Cameron decided not to take his pension when the time comes......but actually, he didn't decide that.......and nor did Brown.....but what they both did was reduce the amount on which that pension would be based....but that base amount is still around £80,000 above that of an ordinary MP! Btw...Cameron is already a millionaire+..... so it is no great hardship to him anyway to drop his pension by about £97000 a year to £71250 or so. No idea what Brown's previous, current or future finances would be like..just, I suspect as you have no idea about Salmond's finances (but having worked in banking around the time Salmond left it, though not the same bank...banking salaries, even those in head office jobs, didn't vary that much in the 1980s and resembled nothing like the silly money bankers in head office receive nowadays) so if he had no family money on which to draw, he didn't come into parliament a millionaire ......but, you know something.I'd be prepared to bet that if Brown hadn't reduced his salary, and thus his pension..Cameron wouldn't have either.

Tony Blair, btw is costing taxpayers more than £400,000 a year despite building up a £30million fortune since leaving Downing Street. He still gets all of his gold plated non-contributory PM pension and extras....which Brown and Cameron can claim as well..and we will pay for! ......Who is screaming about that? You?

Lets stop this permanent situation where Unionists talk unattributed and unlinked crappy balderdash just because they can..(and those furth of Scotland, with as little say in any outcome as you have, but without even any real interest in that outcome, use the opportunity to open their mouths and produce flatulence with smell but no substance because they can, not because they must) and have a go at actually doing facts and figures, and differentiating between truth, spin and downright lies, with links.

Don't you think it is much more than hypocritical for you to have spent the first bit of your post berating Salmond, although he has done nothing illegal (and one voice out of 650 or so doesn't pass anything in the UK Parliament, before you come back with the fact that politicians legislate)...and are now defending the immensely rich because they have done nothing illegal even though they take the biggest proportion of the CAP payments, which in the rest of Europe tends to go predominantly to the small farmers, for whose support CAP was set up in the first place, btw.

Good luck with UKIP being able to do anything about anything......at any time.

Because the majority of Scots want it. I don't particularly, but I can live with it. At some stage in the future, I rather think we will dump the monarchy...but that won't be until the majority decides on that. It's called democracy.

Argument lost, then? Only those with nothing useful to say cite the likes of "nazi", "Hitler" " Braveheart......or turn themselves into grammar/spelling police on forums. They are last refuges of those bereft of an argument.

Depends on where you look for a definition...... some options for you, but in the end I guess they mean much the same, bar in the way they are expressed. A bigot is.......

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.

They are definitions off websites, but I had a look at a dictionary I have which was printed in 1976....and the definition then is pretty much what it is now......bar it said obstinate rather than prejudiced.

Now I can agree with your first sentence in the above quote. I have always been inclined to the concept of Keynesian mixed economy theories, rather than Communism (excessive socialism) or Friedman's unfettered free market capitalist theories. Personally, I think that the bulk of the UK population would be comfortable with a Keynesian happy medium, rather then lurching from left to right, very expensively, at changes of Government.

If you believe in fairness, how do you justify the way the Coalition are treating the sick and disabled and the under 25s, compared to the pensioners, the rich and businesses, particularly the multinationals?

 

Most politicians are beneath contempt. Are you seriously expecting me to accept that Alex Salmond is more decent than the rest? The SNP’s record strongly suggests not. My employment is not funded through the public purse, and this real life remember, so it’s never likely to be. I’m never going to be able to be in a position to put such a large sum into a charity as only politicians and their friends get such sweet deals. Any politician who tries to justify fat cat perks by giving some of the money to charity is risible imo. A politician’s finances don’t concern me beyond what is tax payer funded and legally acquired. I certainly won’t be screaming about their riches, but I will do what I can to see the end of their abuse of power. I HONESTLY wouldn’t want to have any part in such blatantly self-serving governments.

For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not a unionist or a separatist. If Scotland decides to leave the union, I’ll wish Scotland well, but Scots Nationalists should also cut the crappy balderdash and make reasoned arguments, because it looks like the withdrawal argument was formed on the back of a Braveheart DVD showing to the curious bystander. It’s not surprising “independence” argument only has minority support. And of course I have a sodding interest in this debate despite not having a vote! This is the UK the vote will or won't break up.

No, I don’t. My point was addressed to the Salmond supporter who said royalty were thieves. If royalty are thieves, Salmond is a thief. I’m not defending the rich and I don’t think anyone should have to contribute to, nor should they benefit from, the CAP. The CAP is so expensive it’s one of the things sucking the life out of net contributing countries in Europe and goes mainly to small, inefficient farms. The CAP was set up when farms were small!

UKIP has forced a debate about our EU membership into the public domain. That will suffice for now.

Yes I know that, I asked the Salmond supporting, royalty hating, Scots Nationalist why he thought of that SNP policy when he thinks royalty are thieves.

There was no argument made for me to lose! I’m not turning grammar police, but I do find it farcical when someone consistently makes grammatical errors especially when they do it in a post in which they trumpet their own education system. I think I’m perfectly justified in doing that. You brought “Nazi” and “Hitler” into this. That must mean you have no argument by your own reasoning.

Again, I didn’t ask you. I don’t doubt that you knew without having to refer to a dictionary.

I’m not a great supporter of Keynesian theories. I do believe the left and the right need to balance each other. It does society no good if they don’t, as now.

Why ask me to justify anything the coalition does? I don’t support it or either of the two parties that voted it into power. Ask someone who did.

 

Highway robbers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tory

If the cap fits.....!

Highlander

 

So the referendum takes place in autumn 2014. Did anyone notice the matter has its own, huge, wiki page?

 

Hey everybody! What's new on Scottish Independence??

 

Apart from the fact that all the UK media, including the BBC is biased in favour of the Union, to the extent of spinning Westminster garbage so fast they are in danger of corkscrewing themselves down to Australia by September 18th? The CBI have registered for the UKOK campaign, without consulting their members in Scotland....and those members have been resigning daily......and we have found to our surprise and disgust that the BBC is a member of the CBI, but has not yet resigned..so that is the BBC charter which, like the Union Treaty, has generally been more honoured in the breach than the observance for the last few decades, well smashed against the nearest wall. Oh.......and the CBI is so well run, for a business organisation which claims to be a "leader".that they are pretty much saying that an office boy took it on himself to contact the Election Commission to register to spend up to £150,000 on fighting against independence and it had nothing at all to do with the heid bummer who knew nothing about it!

Then Monday past we had the new positive case for the Union.which lasted the launch, including one poster without a "No" in sight (though a lot of fibs)....and by next day they were back in Project Fear mode, and we were being told we can't afford pensions.....by Gordie Broon, the bloke who knocked £118 billion off private pensions and sold our gold reserve for sweeties..and thinks we're better to stay in a country with £1.3 trillion and rising National Debt and a £5 trillion pensions black hole.

Since then we have had IDS with "vulnerable people could lose benefits in an independent Scotland" and "can't even afford the IT programmes to run the Welfare state".........though whether one is dependent on the other is unknowable. We have been warned that it will be hard for us to bail out our banks if we are Independent....and we are in line for an Icelandic style Bank Crash....(though we have also been told that we won't have any banks left if we leave the Union...they'll all scoot off to London)

And we have also had "No new oil boom". from the OBR...(a tory set-up " independent" agency which would struggle to forecast tomorrow's weather, far less anything that's going to happen a decade hence..and have been consistently wrong on oil). Cameron was in Aberdeen just the other month....telling us to stand by for a second oil boom But it rather looks as if International law is now no longer appropriate, re UNCLOS, as we got told on the radio the other day Once you’ve found them, the region that happens to be well-endowed with these valuable resources can’t then retrospectively say ‘Right, we’re off, we’re taking them with us’. And if that was established as a precedent by Scotland, it would be catastrophic in Africa.”

So not only is Scottish Independence going to cause a Global Cataclysm (according to the only NATO heid bummer who didn't get an automatic second term, but is now happy clothed in ermine at £300 a day plus expenses).it is, in addition going to be catastrophic in Africa.....as if a global Cataclysm isn't bad enough! Kinda makes one proud that Scotland is so important to maintaining the equilibrium of the world!

Ed Milliband, plus shadow entourage, came up and promised to continue the Tory policies...but do it with a smile and more politely.so that's all right then. Alistair Carmichael (Sec of State for Scotland for those who don't know) told us that the Government's plan A is that we won't vote for independence....so they don't have to think about a Plan B until we do.

Think that's the highlights of the last week. Polls are narrowing..the NO side have dropped enough percentage points from the start of this campaign that we are now close to, if not within, the polling companies margin of error, with nearly five months to go. All to play for.and if the No side keep up their negative style of campaigning....we should walk it (fingers crossed!)

As an aside...but an illustration of the kind of crap we get daily...... we've had the Daily Fail, fed up with trashing the unemployed, the disabled, immigrants and lone parents getting benefits, trashing the couple who won big bucks in the Euro lottery and used a wee bit of it, as SNP supporters, to donate to the cause of the referendum campaign.and most of the rest to help people locally and set up a charity to distribute funds.. Bet if the OKUK lot had been offered a chunk of the money, they'd have bitten their hands off.

 

How could that be for a country that has more reserves in oil and gas resources than even Norway? Aside from this there's also some mentionable industries that should do just fine at paying the pensions and welfare of the small population of 5 million...

I heard that about 20% of the UK's GDP actually comes from Scotland. Scotland's official GDP is only 215 billion (about a tenth of UK's GDP). But I heard that an extra 10% of UK GDP is made up by the Scottish oil which is mostly branded as an English product and sold by firms and companies in the south, from the south refineries to the world. So in other words it may very well cause a cataclysm, considering that the GDP in the remaining United Kingdom would drop by 20%, it would mean an annual GDP of 1.6 trillion for the UK instead of the current 2.4 trillion and the GDP per capita in England would drop from 40000 to 25000. This is happening in a climate of an already troubled world economy, where the English are already complaining of shortages, cuts they perceive as excessive, unemployment, endangered welfare, endangered pensions like never before! So I wonder what will this mean for them after September 18. WOnder what will it be like for them then...

At this point I can see that Scottish independence is just inevitable. I've studied SNP's activities in the last decades up until the last few years and I can see that at this point too much effort has been made... The odds for independence not to happen after all this effort and gradual preparations that took years are slim. I lived in both England and Scotland and I could see that in the Scottish world there is a different tide, politically and ideologically and that the Scottish people are rather different in their way of life.

Hahaha Usual newspaper talk of the cheap league. Do you realize that if these groups of people did not exist, there would be no one to blame at all!

 

Can't see we have more than Norway....but I think it is not such a large proportion of our GDP if we do. Our financial sector is on the big side relative to our size...though even between the two of them I don't think we get to S&P's definition of over-reliance. As far as I can see, we should be able to make welfare payments comfortably enough out of identifiable Scottish Tax receipts, like Income and Corporation Tax and NIC, which currently go straight to Westminster..and likely do it at less administration cost for tax collection and welfare distribution if we simplify the bloated Westminster system.

Think you have the wrong figures, Vlad.....unfortunately. Scotland, including the oil, I think, is about 9% of the UK GDP....and I think your figures are in USD not sterling. From what I can see, though I could easily be wrong, (I get muddled up with all the 000s and converting from USD to sterling doesn't help at all...the mind, which used to be really good with figures, is gradually going .), the per capita GDP figure in the UK, including Scotland, is just under £23000. In Scotland alone it is nearly £25000 and in the rUK without Scotland, it is just under £22800. I make annual GDP in the UK as a whole, at today's conversion rates, approx £1.45 trillion, in Scotland approx £129.5 billion and in the UK without Scotland, approx £1.32 trillion. Think it's not so much what you have...it is more how you spend it...and, as someone who can spend money as if I had a hole in the palm of my hand through which it just disappears, I marvel at the profligacy of Westminster politicians.....and despair at their priorities.

Only in the UK can you get a political system which has more people legislating for 63+ million in four small countries than in the US Congress, which is legislating for the equivalent of 50 small countries and a population of about 314 million. Not satisfied with a House of Commons with 650 elected members including a Cabinet consisting of mostly millionaires for the taxpayer to support with salary, expenses, a lucrative redundancy payment and pension and subsidised food and drink...we also have an unelected chamber, populated by about 800 individuals getting £300 a day if they turn up,plus expenses and subsidised food and drink. Some of them are bishops in the C of E, some are hereditary lords, but the vast majority are people made life peers for various reasons.....ex-MPs, enjoying a lucrative retirement, as a reward for being voting fodder, cronies of the various party leaders, party donors, people who can act,run fast, write books or kick a ball, and the odd person who has actually experienced the same real life as the majority of the plebs in the country.

I think it is inevitable.....and I hope it will be in September, because then I will be around for the start of our journey.....but it will come. In my opinion, the problem is that there is a large proportion of people born in the years before and after WWII, who do think of themselves as British...three of them are my cousins, now in their seventies...and a lot of the 16-18 age group who have never known anything else but a UK under various shades of right of centre Governments.....and that is where we will lose it, if we're going to lose it I think. So it may take my generation to die off and the coming generation to experience more years of right wing UK Governments and the decimation of the Welfare State before it happens..because I don't see any Westminster Government doing anything constructive to remedy the lack of democracy in the UK.

I'm sure they will manage to come up with something.....there are a lot of nations still uninvaded by the USA and UK.....and I'll bet some of them have oil! (Maybe Scotland needs to watch out! )

 

In addition to that, renewable energy sources are going to help a lot.

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. What I know for sure is that most governments (especially a government like that of UK) have secret, undeclared budgets. Usually for military or intelligence purposes (development of military technologies, counterintelligence) but not only. The existence and the sources of these funds are obviously never revealed, but made up by buffing the value of other industries in the statistics and by lowering the value of the goods that actually make up that fund. Governments do that all the time. Judging by how secretive the British administrative system actually is, I suspect there is much more to Scottish natural resources than meets the eye. Remember that lot of English bankers work and used to work or preside at the IMF and World Bank which are among the institutions that provide leading stats. We must always remember to question the objectivity of the numbers they put on paper.

Truly efficient revolutionaries are always silent and invisible. They only come out of the shadows at the right place, at the right time.

 

How odd that the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation should be in favour of Britain.

 

Don't forget that, until 2005, Scotland had more MPs in Westminster on a per capita basis than England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland was over-represented in Westminster. So it's Scotland which has been causing much of the above problems.

 

I can't see why anyone would want to invade Scotland (something which will be much easier to do in the unlikely event it became independent due to it then having tiny armed forces with no nuclear deterrent) to grab hold of a resource which is rapidly dwindling, like North Sea oil.

Remember, whilst an independent Scotland will be running out of North Sea oil the English will be fracking all that shale gas they have under the ground. There is enough shale gas under Northern England alone to power England for the next 50 years, and we'll still be digging it out of the ground long after Scotland's oil has gone.

 

Scottish independence suffers a major setback as new poll shows surge in support of the Union after Salmond backed Putin and, believe it or not, called his fellow countrymen "a nation of drunks": http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ndence-soars-16-point-lead.html#ixzz30Z2mWSom

 

Good grief.....only the most limited intelligence believes anything produced by the Daily Fail. It wouldn't know a real fact even if it shagged them.

 

This is a quite alive matter for me. Even if I'm Italian, I've got a certain "connection" with those lands [not only Scotland, also Ireland]. It happens I'm there for trekking purposes [almost in every season] and I feel that the country would deserve the "reward" of the independence because of its long history.

I'm not absolute about this: also an increased level of self government could be an intermediate step for the next future, anyway, having to express an opinion, my first thought is for independence.

 

I am for the institution of stronger nations united by free will majorities. We don't need a million small nations, but if they want independence, if the parliament votes it, than they shall have it. I say 70% of the vote should be the standard for Independence, but its 65% almost anywhere. Good thing it wont pass though. Support polls were at 50% at the start of the movement, but have fallen to around 39%. Do not expect much people.

 

So Salmond DIDN'T say those things then?

Okay. If that's what you believe.