SCOTUS does not recognize the right to rebellion against the government

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  1. slackercruster

    slackercruster Banned

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    Sure.

    Homo marriage was pushed through with a 5 to 4 vote. It could have just as easily been decided the other way around.

    The 2A was upheld by a 5 to 4 vote. Soon the 2A may go down in flames with a 5 to 4 vote against. If so, you may only be allowed muzzle loaders.

    You have to remember opinions are like *******s...everyone got one.

    If you look hard enuf, sooner or later you find an ******* that will confirm any view...homo marriage is as wholesome as apple pie...outlaw gun ownership...illegal aliens are legal citizens...murder tens of millions of babies...in short, the Dem agenda.

    When they destroy the 2A, that will be the time when the SHTF for the gun owners. Do you tuck your tail between your legs and turn in your guns to be come newly minted Australians? Or do you make a stand to protect American tradition and freedom?

    It takes organization and the will to die for your beliefs. As the Dems push for registering illegals to vote, lowering the voting age and abandoning the electoral college the writing is on the wall. NRA had better prepare for a never ending war...form the National Militia, NRA.

    Guns set us free from England and keep us free. If the Dems get their way you will lose your freedom to ever rebel in a meaningful way again.
     
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    And be prosecuted for thought crimes?
     
  3. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I am unclear as to why "legal" becomes a standard that would be applicable to a rebellion. I would suggest "moral" would become the actual standard. Would you suggest that because China hold elections that their population should always be subjugated? Isn't this entirely the theory of progressive authoritarianism in the first place? Do you suppose that the nice folks in Russia enjoy a country that should not be rebelled against? When you suggest that something is "legal" that is usually never the reason for or a legitimate position to take given the need to rebel. Had this nation never found the moral courage to rebel against the crown, we may very well be a colony still.
     
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    Why? But if they conspire to commit crimes, sure.
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    treason is illegal.

    deal with it
     
  6. drluggit

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    Of course it is. And without it, this country wouldn't exist, would it?
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    treason isn't always wrong, but its always illegal.

    as it should be
     
  8. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Kind of sparse there. A government afraid of it's citizens doesn't seem to be very representative, or sustainable.
     
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    No government agency, including SCOTUS, is going to admit the truth. No surprise, the Dennis decision said not a word about the Ninth Amendment. Nor did it mention that after the Sparf decision in 1895, trial by jury in the US is a joke.
     
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    AS IF you cared about people that would live in a GUN FREE ZONE!!! You WANT folks hurt there, to punish them.
     
  11. Stevew

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    Under current circumstances, the "plotters" of gov over throw are the leftist dem party AFTER LOSING ELECTIONS SINCE 2010.

    Steve


     
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    its quite ****ing funny that Conservatives want it to be legal to commit violent rebellion against the govt.

    dont do the crime if you cant do the time, buddy
     
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    How to tell you that you can't read...

    You didn't address the OP.

    The right to protect your life from eminent harm versus the right to overthrow your government are two different things. The former is a right you have, the latter isn't a right you have.

    Also, you don't have a castle. You at best, have a cookie cutter house. You are no king. In fact, for your to use such an analogy is silly considering King's don't follow any of the founding principles on which the bill of rights is based on. They don't follow rule of law. And they are authoritarians. So maybe you should think of a better analogy?
     
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    The Revolutionary War was a rebellion if the French failed to side with us we would have lost more likely than not, then the Founding Fathers if lucky would be in prison in England for a long time more likely they would have been hung or shot for High Treason and the commoner who supported it and military leaders perhaps earn a pardon. The South in the Civil War were in open rebellion and many could have been tried and executed it was the mercy of the North they were spared and pardoned if they pledge allegiance back to the United States but many could have been imprisoned or executed if they chose to do that.
     
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    You guys want treason to be legal?????????????

    LOL!!!!!

    dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
     
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    The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document. The Constitution is. The Declaration is nothing more than the philosophical musings and justifications, a casus belli, for war. It has no legal standing and defines no actual rights. The colonies were trying to ensure they were the "good guys" in the eyes of the world is all. If what you say is true, they would have put it in the Constitution if they wished to defend and enshrine such a right. They did not. And in fact, Washington himself put down a rebellion. So did Lincoln. And every time, they made the same argument, it was illegal and unconstitutional. If it's unconstitutional, you have no right to it.
     
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    Dems have become the minority party and are now at power levels NOT SEEN SINCE 1929. Yet they still won't change and still try to rule the PEOPLE.

    Steve
     
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    Who said anything about legal? I know I didn't. But hey, if you have to make it up to satisfy your fantasy, who are we to stop you?
     
  19. JakeStarkey

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    SCOTUS is not subject to you or your opinion, Eleuthera. You disagree. OK.
     
  20. Gdawg007

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    Hmm, yeah that's not a war. That's politics, which can be more brutal than war, but no, not a civil war at all. What that is is "how the system was supposed to work." You see, nowhere does it say that whoever gets elected is to be followed without question. I mean it does, just not in this country. Are you sure you're a real American? Sounds like you voted for Putin...
     
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    If you have a right to something, how can it be illegal? Let me put it another way, you have a right to life. No one can take that life without due process. Hence, murder is illegal. All laws stem from rights. As they work their way down to the local level things change, but we are very much talking at the highest, federal level.

    Rebellion isn't a Constitutional right. There is no legal basis to support such a right, therefore it doesn't exist.

    Should rebellion ever happen? That's a different question. The OP is dead right, however. There isn't much to argue with.
     
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    Dems have become the minority party and are now at power levels NOT SEEN SINCE 1929. Yet they still won't change and still try to rule the PEOPLE.

    The PEOPLE rule the gov, not the other way around.

    Steve
     
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    Hmm, that's weird. So how do you define ruling people? Passing laws? Arguing against passing laws? Filibustering? Those are all legal and constitutional authorities granted members of Congress. Show me an example of the dems doing something to rule the people. Maybe that will help align me to your example. If you say something like passing ACA, then I'm going to stop you right now. Passing the ACA was no different than passing the tax cuts most people didn't want. The popularity of a bill or law doesn't make it illegal or unconstitutional to pass.
     
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    The power behind the leftist dems is in fact the lying liberal media. If you want war, then you'll get it unless dems back down and toss out leftists and move toward the center.

    Do I have to keep repeating myself?

    Steve
     
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  25. Ronstar

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    sounds like a threat.

    are you threatening violence unless the Democrats "back down" and toss out "Leftists?

    how do the Dems have to "back down", exactly?

    which Leftists do the Dems need to purge?
     

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