Torture is not going to make a committed terrorist give you the location of a bomb. Yes, they will tell you anything to stop the torture and if that means sending you off on a wild goose chase in the wrong direction that is what they will tell you. They might even have arranged beforehand that if they are captured they will give up the location of an ambush site where your forces will be decimated. Torture is worthless since it doesn't work. Sleep deprivation is much more effective since it is mental rather than physical. It takes longer but it will yield better results without the need to compromise anyone's rights.
If your daughter was kidnapped and you KNEW the man you had knew where she was, would you torture him for the information?
I do understand that we can't allow torture because people always THINK they know. However, it is an interesting question if you really DID know that the person you had knew the answers. Then would you think it was okay to torture the person to get the information? If you had evidence that was unquestionable that you had the right person? Maybe I should start a thread about it.
America, land of the free (so long as you don't think too much?) Yet they're our servants, not our effing masters??
Do you support: -Death Penalty (Yes I do, people sometimes need to be ended in such a way as to ensure they won't inflict harm again. Like the guy in Norway that got 20 years for killing over 70 people, he should have gotten the Death Penalty not just 20 years in a nice apartment paid for by the government.) -LGBT Rights (Gays, cross dressers and transgender people can make there own choices. But with restrooms they need to conform to the publics norms instead of trying to force what they believe they are down peoples throats. -Censorship of Hate Speech (No only Censorship of clearly defined threats against people.) -Torture of Terrorists , Criminals,Dissidents and Enemy Combatants (Yes I support it against Terrorist and even if I didn't the CIA does it anyways in Turkey.) -Domestic Surveillance (Only with a court issued warrant. I don't support mass surveillance.) -Pro Choice Stance (I don't support killing of something that hasn't done anything) Do you oppose: -"Freedom of Speech" (No, Freedom of Speech is at the very core of a open and free society.) -"Freedom of Religion" (We need the freedom to have faith in anything we wish even if others don't agree with you.) -Racism (Yes Racism is wrong and no one should even count skin color as a good or bad thing. Anyone claiming it's good to be white is a flaming neo-Nazi whether they know it or not.) -Communism (It's killed so many and left a very dark mark on the world over the last 100 years or so. Yes I oppose it) -Sexism (I oppose Sexism be it against girls or guys. It shouldn't matter what is in your pants, we are all human and should be treated as such.) -Open Borders (Yes we need to enforce the laws on the books and I agree with them.) -The concept of more than two Genders (There are only two and anything else is a freakish DNA screw up.)
Do you support: -Death Penalty - Absolutely not, for the simple fact that they might be wrong -LGBT Rights - of course -Censorship of Hate Speech -in some instances -Torture of Terrorists , Criminals,Dissidents and Enemy Combatants - a big no -Domestic Surveillance - another no -Pro Choice Stance - yes Do you oppose: -"Freedom of Speech" yes, but certain extreme examples may not -"Freedom of Religion" - no and freedom from religion -Racism - yes -Communism - no -Sexism - yes -Open Borders - no -The concept of more than two Genders - of course not, only an idiot would exclude hermaphrodites.
Sleep deprivation isn't counted as Torture? Well I should have read this post before making mine, but still sometimes they need to do more. The CIA aren't there to play nice with Terrorist and while I don't really care for what they do, I know why they need Torture and why they will do it even if it's counted as illegal.
I should have been more explicit about the use of sleep deprivation as torture. It is only effective up to a point. Prolonged sleep deprivation will impair the mind beyond the point of being able to provide useful information. Yes, it is illegal under the Geneva Convention and I have no doubt whatsoever that the CIA uses it in rendition centers. As far as the effectiveness goes just ask anyone with an infant that cries every hour on the hour all night long. Personally I am opposed to torture since it is ineffective and barbaric. Proper interrogation methods yield better results. Torture tends to dehumanize those doing the torturing.
It doesn't matter about that, getting the information is what matters. I'll bet you'd soon change your mind if it were ever to be proven that a terrorist suicide attack was averted owing to info received from torture, and you realised you were in the location of the intended attack at the time. Yes? Or no??
Leaky Dick Cheney tried telling that lie and it was exposed as utter BS! The odds of any of us being in the location of an intended attack are so remote that you stand a better chance of being struck by lightning. It takes good police work and intelligence to stop terrorists. Torture is just Hollywood BS akin to James Bond shooting the bad guy while dangling upside down from a helicopter in a hurricane. It does not work that way in real life.
Tell that to any poor sod who survived being mangled between ironmongery above and tarmac beneath, or if that's too abstruse, the survivor of a truck laden with steel girders being driven into a crowd.
The odds of capturing a terrorist right before they launch an attack are negligible. The smart move is infiltration and intelligence. If you can infiltrate then catch them in the planning act. If you are doing it via intelligence crack the code for the locations and timing. But only a fool would rely upon the dumb luck of capturing a terrorist at the right moment and then torturing in the expectation that they will tell you anything useful.
Not if one of his buddies has spilled the beans. Supposing you were a ember of the security services, would you volunteer to infiltrate a local terrorist group, knowing that you'd be decapitated if they even suspected you were spying on them? Surely you must agree that it's better to do something than to do nothing? The one under interrogation might be a wimp and start 'singing' after a clip round the ears with the threat of more to come.
There are brave people who do put their lives at risk for their nation but I gather you have never encountered any nor served in uniform for that matter. Doing "something" for the sake of "doing something" is the kind of stupidity that I expect from a BLOTUS supporter. According to Sun Tzu that will cost you dearly because it means that you can be easily manipulated by your enemy. Your facile Hollywoodesque grasp of terrorism makes it pointless to discuss this any further. Have a nice day!
Question: Supposing you were a member of the security services, would you volunteer to infiltrate a local terrorist group, knowing that you'd be decapitated if they even suspected you were spying on them? Answer: There are brave people who do put their lives at risk for their nation but I gather you have never encountered any nor served in uniform for that matter. Um, is that a yes, or a no? No reply expected - I just thought I'd get the last word in for a change. You have a nice day too, y'hear?
Once again you display your puerile grasp of Hollywood rather than reality. In my extended family there was a spy who risked his life behind enemy lines. He was one of the most intelligent and charming people I have ever met. I never even knew that he had been a spy until I was told about his exploits by his siblings at his funeral. Would I be brave enough to do what he did? I don't know but I do know what it takes to do what he did and I can the tell the difference between those who are all mouth and those who actually put their lives on the line. So having never served in uniform but you ask me asinine questions when you don't know squat about the subject matter you will get the answer you deserve.
I told you to have a good day - now go and have it! Or did you just want the last word again? Right, you had it.
Do you support: -Death Penalty Yes, in favor -LGBT Rights Yes, but not sure of the extent. I am for gay marriage, love should decide that, not government. -Censorship of Hate Speech No, first amendment. I'm old fashioned. I believe in the old adage that I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it. -Torture of Terrorists , Criminals,Dissidents and Enemy Combatants Only in extreme circumstances. If it would prevent another 9-11 or a dirty bomb, okay. -Domestic Surveillance If done according to the Constitution, with a warrant and done individually, etc, okay. -Pro Choice Stance Let the woman decide. Do you oppose: -"Freedom of Speech" No. I am all for freedom of speech, see Hate Speech. -"Freedom of Religion" All for the free exercise of religion as stated in the first amendment. -Racism oppose, but not sure what can be done about it. -Communism oppose -Sexism oppose -Open Borders oppose. Every country has the right to control their own borders. -The concept of more than two Genders If a man wants to live his life as a woman or vice versa, that fine with me. It's their life and they can live it as they like or want.
