Seattle’s Wage Mandate Kills Restaurants

You are back to this lame diversion? This is not the topic of this conversation. Just admit your argument is weak, and stop already with the attempts to derail things.

You still haven't responded to the question of how do you account for the person who becomes unemployed when a company cuts workers to accommodate higher wages..... Paying full freight welfare for one unemployed person is going to be a helluva lot more expensive than maybe paying for food stamps for two low wage employed people. (I say "maybe" because your assumption that people earning minimum wage also all receive food stamps has yet to be proven, although you misleadingly use it as fact in your argument.) Not to mention the psychological effects of having no job and no responsibility. It's the first step to becoming a full fledged welfare dependent liberal devotee.

 

Companies like Walmart float on the idea to have people running around on minimum wage. Every fast food joint as well. That's not small business. You would think a person with 1 employee wants that employee committed and not leaving for the next easy job that pays slightly higher than a dirt low wage.

Yup.

That's not a flaw. That's the reason why there is a minimum wage in the first place, since the benefits of those getting a good enough pay outweighs the few who will loose out.

 

Don't you think those people getting welfare now would get a better job, live a better life if they could?

 

Again that's not my point, the government is enabling companies to pay low wages, get rid of the welfare and companies would have no choice but to pay higher wages, for example companies used to have companie houses for its employees

 

Except that's not what happens on average. Use the charts I posted on Seattle (the topic) that show record low unemployment and continued restaurant job growth even under what might be considered an extreme move up in the minimum wage.

 

Walmart doesn't pay minimum wages or fast food joints in the red states.

No the reason why there was a minimum wage law in the first place was to keep the minority's from working,

1) they got tired of minority's under cutting the white labors

2) they wanted to exterminate the minority's from society


That's the reason why the created the minimum wage

https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

 

Those people should be dealt with in a different way than the usual person.
We need a program like the old CCC during the depression where those people have a job and an education in exchange for the aid. It's the only way to break the cycle.

 

That's fascinating. I'd never heard that theory before.

 

It wasn't just America, it was happening all over the world, Canada, Australia, South Africa... the minimum wage laws came about because of racism



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...y-racist-motivations-behind-minimum-wage/amp/



In 1925, a minimum-wage law was passed in the Canadian province of British Columbia, with the intent and effect of pricing Japanese immigrants out of jobs in the lumbering industry.

A Harvard professor of that era referred approvingly to Australia’s minimum wage law as a means to “protect the white Australian’s standard of living from the invidious competition of the colored races, particularly of the Chinese” who were willing to work for less.

 

I sourced in post 222 that a minimum wage is there to be a livable wage.

 

If companies would pay a livable wage on their own we wouldn't be having this conversation and minimum wage would have at least kept up with inflation.

 

You will never get a livable wage off of minimum wage, its impossible Australia and New Zealand who had a high minimum ($17.00 us dollars)wage for a while now still has working poor.


https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/1037...he-push-to-understand-how-many-are-struggling


New Zealand's 'working poor' and the push to understand how many are struggling


You could work all week and have only $20 to show for it.

You could be mother-of-two Joanna, working a retail job in Henderson, with take-home pay of $550 eaten up by rent of $530 every week.

This isn't a story about rental prices in Auckland. This is a story about low wages, high living costs, and the working poor.


And it's a story that's increasingly told around the country.

READ MORE:
* Rising living costs seeing more families turning to food banks
* Families struggle to afford the rising cost of back-to-school requirements
* One in 10 New Zealand families fell into 'Struggle Street
* No simple answer to help New Zealand's poor

 

That's what I am saying. The US government is aiding companies. That must end.

 

They might be able to pay a livable wage if we would stop buying goods manufactured in Asia off people who make $3 bucks a day

That's the entire problem, a catch 22.

I dont know about anyone else here but my one grandfather worked as a gas station mechanic and raised 6 kids, my other grandfather was a elevator installer/mechanic and raised 9 kids on that salary. (And both my grandmothers never worked since WWII)

 

I have. It's a general part of having a minimum wage in the first place. A minimum wage in general accepts that some people will become unemployed as a result of that. And the reason to have a minimum wage is to have a living wage. I sourced that in post 222.

 

You are comparing an Apple to an Orangutan.

 

Minimum wage started at .25 cents (193 and the equivalent to that in todays dollars is 4.25. Doesnt sound livable. I'll read you link later.

Fair labor standards act was not created for a livable wage it was created so workers cant get taken advantage of and the creation of better child labor laws.

 

Minimum Wage WAS NEVER intended to be a Living Wage. It's for entry level low skills, or jobs with commissions, bonuses, and/or tips. Having Leftist/Socialist idiots screw with the Business/Employee relationship like this will end in disaster.... oh it already has. I used to fly into Seattle and stay to visit an Aunt on my business trips to Hanford, WA. Last time two of the restaurants that we used to frequent are now closed. Here is a list of others that are closing thanks to Leftists/Democrats.

https://seattle.eater.com/seattle-restaurant-closings

 

Yes this reminds of a few stories, one countie in Mississippi has like 90 % of its residents on Social security disability, for some reason they all have back pains and found one doctor to sign off on it.

Lol what are you and I agreeing here?

1)I can see the farm bill is needed to help farmers and people on food stamps

2)I see subsiding fossil fuel because in those Bill's it helps people with cheap heat in the winter

3)I do agree with you on helping slow people get a job

(This reminds me I used to work at a company that had a special department for handicapped workers in south Carolina, it used be a joy going in there and fixing one of there machines and they all come up to me and hug me and stuff)



I just lost my train of thought, thinking about my old friends

 

Labor laws at the turn of the century were for women in children in certain industries. Extremely misleading.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_law
1938 is the first federal minimum wage. So if 4.45 I'd a livable wage please tell me why we need to raise the wage to 15 dollars nation wide.

 

This is about 15 bucks an hour as a minimum pay. Walmart doesn't do that on a large scale.

I sourced in post 222 why the minimum wage law is there. That's in general how it is and why countries have it. You specifically came up with a bs story about how maybe it became so in the US. It fails to capture that the UK and Belgium didn't do that for that reason, yet also got a minimum wage. My source does capture it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

And I am disappointed that I had to post that link to explain such a basic concept.