Secret Russian document offers rare, official glimpse into campaign against West

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  1. Jack Hays

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    All of our would-be Neville Chamberlains need to step back and repent their cowardice. A critical battle for freedom is happening now in Ukraine. I hope our descendants won't have cause to regret our lack of resolve. Lenin once referred to the assistance of "useful idiots." There are too many of those right now.
    Secret Russian document offers rare, official glimpse into campaign against West
    Russia’s Foreign Ministry has been gathering data on the vulnerabilities of its Western adversaries, a classified Russian document shows.
    By Catherine Belton
    Russia’s Foreign Ministry has been drawing up plans to try to weaken its Western adversaries, including the United States, and leverage the Ukraine war to forge a global order free from what it sees as American dominance, according to a secret Foreign Ministry document.

    In a classified addendum to Russia’s official — and public — “Foreign Policy Concept of the Russian Federation,” the ministry calls for an “offensive information campaign” and other measures spanning “the military-political, economic and trade and informational psychological spheres” against a “coalition of unfriendly countries” led by the United States.

    “We need to continue adjusting our approach to relations with unfriendly states,” states the 2023 document, which was provided to The Washington Post by a European intelligence service. “It’s important to create a mechanism for finding the vulnerable points of their external and internal policies with the aim of developing practical steps to weaken Russia’s opponents.”

    The document for the first time provides official confirmation and codification of what many in the Moscow elite say has become a hybrid war against the West. Russia is seeking to subvert Western support for Ukraine and disrupt the domestic politics of the United States and European countries, through propaganda campaigns supporting isolationist and extremist policies, according to Kremlin documents previously reported on by The Post. It is also seeking to refashion geopolitics, drawing closer to China, Iran and North Korea in an attempt to shift the current balance of power.

    Using much tougher and blunter language than the public foreign policy document, the secret addendum, dated April 11, 2023, claims that the United States is leading a coalition of “unfriendly countries” aimed at weakening Russia because Moscow is “a threat to Western global hegemony.” The document says the outcome of Russia’s war in Ukraine will “to a great degree determine the outlines of the future world order,” a clear indication that Moscow sees the result of its invasion as inextricably bound with its ability — and that of other authoritarian nations — to impose its will globally. . . .
     
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    Not exactly a surprise but nice to see it spelt out, wish we could get the same from China
     
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    Sadly none of this is news to anyone paying attention, but it is worth repeating. However, having reached the point where Russian propaganda is being repeated in Congress I fear that no amount of repetition will suffice to wake up those who repeat such faecal matter.

    People who support Russia and/or oppose assistance to Ukraine are enemies of Western civilization. Those generations of Western leaders who stood against the USSR would understand this instinctively. Some in power still do. Sadly the barbarians are not just at the gate. Some are inside the walls.
     
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    Russia is invading social media, pretending to be both sides, this affects not only the citizens, but the gov officials that believe this fake people support certain thin strongly, thus they support it
     
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    From what I’ve read the Chinese Communist Party is doing much more to disrupt out society in general by basically attacking our youth and our values & principles. There appear to be indirect links between the CCP and antifa & BLM.
     
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    Everyone has invaded social media .. so What ? .. not the Russian invasion one needs worry about .. that is not going to harm anyone in the USA .. its the US intelligence agencies one needs worry about .. the likes of Genocide Joe Biden and the Cancel Crew .. harming free speech .. manufacturing consent for totalitarian agenda.
     
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    Dude .. you first need to figure out what propaganda is .. prior to scaring everyone into thinking the sky is falling on congress .. and spewing Neocon propaganda about folks not supporting Genocide Joe and his wars are against western civilization. Funny fellow .. OH .. and love the "Barbarians at the Gate" Duck and cover mate :)
     
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    actually it's all foreign companies that want to take us down, they take both sides of all issues, they try to turn us against each other - but sorry if you thought I was only blaming Russia
     
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    It helped put Trump in the White House.

    And it is one of the driving forces behind convincing Trump nation to oppose aid tovUkraine, and retreat into isolationism.
     
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    Agreed!
     
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    Russia doesn't factor into the foreign companies that have influence in the US and as far as "Taking us Down" -- that has already been done by the Oligarchy - and Russian Oligarchs don't have influence in that circle.

    The Oligarchs wish to keep the raging masses under control --- don't want them to start doing crazy things such as taxing the wealth of the Cabal .. and so they turn us against each other .. as you say .. correct observation.

    Biden and Trump work for the same Boss on most days... on the days they don't its related to Hot Button Issues -- things the various Oligarchs will differ on.

    The devil is not found in the areas on which the Oligarchs differ -- Hot button issues -- Abortion , Gun rights, Immigration, and so on ... Oligarchs don't care about that .. the Devil is found in the areas on which they agree .. which is always towards maintaining the Structural Status Quo.
     
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    Did you hear about this one? This pretty lady is now the CEO of NPR and she finds pushing and getting consensus on deep state narratives is more important than getting to the truth.



    And the truth about Ukraine? If 2020 didn't get "fortified" and Trump was in office? I don't think Russia would have invaded Ukraine in the 1st place. And if they had? Trump would have negotiated a peace we could all accept in hours. Maybe days. Not weeks. And he'd have done it without leaving $80 billion in weapons behind for our adversaries.

    But as it is? Two years of costly worthless failure.
     
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    We still have yet to figure out if it was the Russians .. and just because they were able to have influence in one area .. doesn't given them the ability to influence in general . and the idea that this influence was negative .. Harmed our electoral Process" .. is false propaganda on steroids.

    We had a Crooked Candidate who meddled in our electoral process -- What Hillary and the DNC did to Sanders. .. which is why Hillary lost the Election.
    The fact that information on the Dirty Deeds of of one of the Candidates came from a foreign nation is not something we should try to restrict.. clamping down on freedom of information .. freedom of Speech. Getting this information out to the public helped our electoral process .. not Harmed our electoral process. and whomever released that information to wiki -- helped our electoral process .. and in helping our process helped Trump get elected ... The Sanders people did not show up for Hillary .. an extremely low electoral turnout is bad for Blue.

    The one to blame for that low turnout is not "Russia - China - Vietnam" for releasing the information on Crooked Hilary's crime ... but the one who did the Crime .. Crooked Hillary.

    These folks calling out Tulsi Gabbard for being "anti -war" are the true anti Patriots. Russia is not a driving force for Squat in this nation.. just because something happens to favor them. What is going on in Ukraine is Bad for the US .. those who continue to support this sht show .. including the one in Gaza .. are the Anti-American's in the room. .. along with those running around crying "Russia Russia" .. using "duck and Cover" fear mongering to try and blame Russia for their own evils. .. which is exactly what happened in the Russia-gate affair. Was Crooked Hillary who was meddling with our electoral process in a negative way .. Not Trump who benefited our electoral process .. who was doing moral and civic duty in doing anything he could to get this information released to the voter prior to the Election.
     
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    That's what Neville Chamberlain tried. Didn't work then, doesn't work now.
    We're the Americans. We support freedom.
     
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    Good luck proving that. Ukraine is going to fall. There will have been a ton of bloodshed and waste. A lot of corruption and graft and malfeasance. Lot of new billionaires. The only impact it will have all had on the US is we will be poorer and have had our lives endangered for nothing.
     
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    Appeasing Hitler helped bring on WW2. Appeasing Putin is the path to broader war.
    “We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of liberty.”
    ― John F. Kennedy
     
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    The problem with generals is they are always trying to fight the last war. Wars in the future will look very different than the last.

    ITMT:

    Fun viewing:
     
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    Warfighting changes. Human nature is constant.
     
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    that was a type I meant foreign governments, not foreign companies
     
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    But that nature has to respond to changing realities. The West didn't have nukes when Hitler invaded. Western nations today do. It's a different world today.
    Chamberlain went to Hitler trying to negotiate peace. Some argue he did the right thing. But in this case, it is Russia that is trying to offering peace and Biden et.al. blocking it.
     
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    It never ceases to amaze me how many forget history or simply miss the historical parallels.
     
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    That is false and dishonest. Russia's goals were and remain maximalist.
    Chamberlain made general war more likely.
     
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    I'm sure Russia will learn the limits of power too.

    Biden should not have blocked the peace Russia offered. Accept it and go from there. He didn't and now we're going on towards a trillion bucks crapped away for an issue that is not directly related to US interests at a time in which we have infinitely bigger fish to fry.

    Also, ITMT: example of support for what Chamberlain did: https://www.intelligencesquared.com/events/neville-chamberlain/
     

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