Section 4 of the 25th Amedment

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  1. Hoosier8

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    Do you think sedition is a good thing?
     
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    Talking about the FBI that has nothing to do with the 25th and active recruitment admitted to on national TV.
     
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    Cool. Please quote the text of the 25th Amendment where it states that the FBI are not allowed to discuss it.
     
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    I guess the distinction between discussing and planning sailed right over your head.
     
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    Is planning to follow the Constitution a crime?
     
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    He was doing his job. It was considered and the option rejected.
     
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    Not part of the FBI's job. You seem to want to stay dense on this.
     
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    some of us question his capacity

    he seems to be inclined to stupidity
     
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    Being stupid, ugly, old, rich, poor, funny talking, or just plain disliked by some is not being incapacitated -- not within a billion miles. The 25th amendment is not there as a way to remove a disliked president or his policies. But, of course, the constitution or laws matter little to the Trump haters.
     
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    So we can't collectively say 'You`re fired!!"??

    I have read sec 4 many times.. I think we are closer than a billion miles to a reason to can his azz
     
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    No, we certainly and absolutely cannot legally fire the president outside the electoral process.
     
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    this is quite demonstrably incorrect. Impeachment, or 25th amendment can remove him. Incapacitated is not a requirement.
     
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    He did not say remove him; he said fire him.
    Incapacitation is absolutely a requirement for the 25th amendment. "...... unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office...." means incapacitated. It does not say "does not discharge the powers and duties of his office to their liking or approval."
     
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    which you of course know he meant remove.
    nope...................
    incapacitated is not a requirement.
     
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    Well impeachment requires a "high crime or misdemeanor."

    25th amendment requires:
    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
     
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    You make me quite curious on how you interpret and define the phrase, "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office."
     
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    it really doesn't. the house could impeach a president because they don't like the way he parts his hair. Conviction in the senate is all together different.

    right. incapacitated is not a requirement.
     
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    by the English language. Nowhere in the 25th amendment, section 4, does it require the president to be incapacitated.
     
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    Political whims are not a reason for impeachment. The Constitution does not say that the House can impeach for any reason they want to.




    Article II
    Section 4.
    The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
     
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    yes it does




    yes, that is for conviction in the senate, and removal from office. The house can impeach him because he's left handed if they want.
     
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    He's neither. He's just a high level civil servant who recognized the potential threat posed to the country given Don's attempt to obstruct the Russia investigation.
     
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    i suppose you are paid member of the stable genius club

     
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    Bull Tinky

    If Mike Pence had neurons or testicles it would be done by now
     
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    I think mike may have been a victim of child sex abuse
     
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    It also doesn't come within a billion miles of a crime because advocating for the implementation of a constitutional amendment is the OPPOSITE of a coup. Its one of two lawful and proper methods by which a President can be removed. I suspect its authors anticipated that discussion and advocacy of differing positions might precipitate a vote.

    Now if you want to argue that it is a poor or inappropriate use of paid time or resources, or just plain silly, I am right there with you.
     
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