Seems Trump people totally disregarded Trump's tweets this morning

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you're lying about Quran 8:39.

    it says fight the non-Muslims until there is no more oppression and idol worship, unless the enemy stops fighting.
     
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    Quran 8:38:

    Muhammad, tell the unbelievers, if you give up your evil behavior, God will forgive whatever you have done in the past. But if you transgras again, your fate will be the same as that of those (unbelievers) who lived before you."
     
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    So if I post media articles you are not just going to shout fake news and attack the source? I'm assuming you are capable of looking it up for yourself.
    Prove that the killer of Jo Cox was not shouting ''Britain first''. Prove that several members of Britain First have not been prosecuted for harassing minorities and incitement to violence. Prove that they have not been banned from Mosques for inciting racial hatred and intimidating Muslims.
    I'm not going to go to the effort just to have you dismiss it as fake news no matter how I ''back it up''.
     
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...fter-police-take-out-injunction-a7196831.html

     
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    It obviously was not real. But it appealed to your world view and thus, your obvious prejudices.
     
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    Apparently Allah is a pretty lousy communicator:
    "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]." Qur'an 8:39 (Mohsin Khan)
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder
     
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    Apparently Allah is a pretty lousy communicator:
    "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]." Qur'an 8:39 (Mohsin Khan)
     
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    First of all, your birtherism comments are all false. This is well plowed ground by now.

    But the bigots still cling to it (as does, Trump apparantly). Of course, Trump is almost certainly delighted that there are news reports that he is going around telling people that he still believes in it. He's blowing the dog whistle for the bigots in his audience, who still cling to it as well. He knows how to pull their chains.

    I know that one of these videos did not involve Muslims at all. I don't know about the rest, but they were promoted by a racist fringe group before they were endorsed by the Clown Prince.
     
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    All of it ;)
     
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    Fake news.
     
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    The evil behavior is going against Sharia (god's) Law - the US does that every time we vote!
     
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    Two of the three were real.

    That you would focus on the one and ignore the other two appeals to your world view and your obvious prejudices.
     
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    "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]." Qur'an 8:39 (Mohsin Khan)
     
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nts-jayda-fransen-deputy-leader-a8082001.html
     
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    Britain First's fascism, or lack thereof, is not the real question - the REAL question is: do the Islamic texts encourage Jihad holy war against non-believers.
    Montegriffo, do you believe that the Islamic texts encourage Jihad holy war against non-believers, like I do?
     
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    I like putting things in context to show the partisan absurdity that is always, always, involved. But this destroys brain cells, as one can tell. And a mind is such a terrible thing to willingly destroy, IMO. Hard drugs, chronic alcoholism, and hyper blind partisanship.
     
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    No, not false.

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    Michele Obama, "We visited his home country, in Kenya"



    Why are you calling people bigots? Obama is 50% black, his father was born in Kenya. That is not a question, that is 100% fact. To say that someone is a bigot because they don't believe he was born here is not about bigotry. It's about the truth being in doubt because of the Obama's themselves as evidenced above. I believe he's a citizen based on his mother being an American. He probably was born in Hawaii, but his birth certificates are both fakes.

    I know that it is claimed that the one beating a boy on crutches is being claimed to be wrong because the boy doing the beating is a citizen not an immigrant, but I haven't seen anyactual claim that he is not a Muslim. But regardless, you should be more offended at the behavior of the Muslims in the videos than you are that Trump retweeted them.
     
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    Well I guess that makes "allah akbar" hate speech and a call to violence as well.

    When do the mosque crackdowns begin?
     
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    So a video of a Muslim thrown off a roof in Cairo, and a non-muslim non-immigrant attacking a guy in Holland are evidence that Britain is in danger of being over run by Islamic terrorists? The fact that you defend a far right Islamophobic organisation which is banned from all Mosques in England and Wales shows your world view and your obvious prejudices.
     
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    Yes, it is in fact. The 20k+ jihadis living there and the attacks are simple proof of the matter.

    Why not ban all Mosques? Islam itself bans other religions from it's own countries as well.

    There are plenty of places off limits to non-Muslims, but you're ok with that I'm sure.
     
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    While carrying out a violent attack it is hate speech when used in prayer by the majority of peaceful Muslims it is not. Do you see how this works? Context is important. Islamic preachers calling for violence have been imprisoned and their Mosques closed down. See Finsbury Mosque
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...e-radical-hotbed-transformed-model-community/
     
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    Define Jihadis, there are not 20k active terrorists in the UK.
    We don't ban all Mosques because we believe in religious freedom.
    There are NO places off limits to non-Muslims in the UK. Fox news had to withdraw that statement and apologise for it.
     
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    Then Trump saying "Britain First" is in no way synonymous with Jo Cox being shot. Glad we could clear that up.

    The fact is Muslims in the ME are systematically wiping out Christians. The Shia and Sunni are aligned in this one area.

    In Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Yemen, Sudan and Malaysia converting to Christianity is a CRIME.

    If you think these people are going to immigrate to the UK and see Western culture and exclaim "Wow, this is so much better, lets buy Cokes and teach the world to sing in perfect harmony", you're going to be very disappointed.

    They hate western culture. They hate Christianity. The results are going to be very, very bad.

    If you think the way to combat this is by passing laws silencing people from pointing out the obvious, knock yourselves out.

    Being a defender of Islam isn't going to save you when the time comes.
     
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    "Active"? I'm not even sure what that means, but there are that many jihadis living in the UK.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...evealed-uk-home-to-23-000-jihadists-3zvn58mhq
     

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