Self-Discipline - The Most Fundamental Key to Conservative Success

If you whittle away all the rhetoric and just get down to the essence, what most liberals truly want is a world that protects them from themselves. They want laws and social standards that allow them to give into any whim they have in the moment with no consequences coming back to bite them later on. It's the same old "if it feels good, do it" mantra from the '60s. The problem with this is that in order to create an environment like this, you must rob everyone else of basic and vital freedoms.

Like abortion, for example. In order to have no consequences for your sexual choices, you must deny others the right to life. Because the natural law of cause and effect dictates that unprotected sex during certain times of the menstrual cycle creates babies (biology 101 here). Someone with self-discipline recognizes this and strategizes their life around it by either using condoms or avoiding sex during this time period. But the wanton liberal cannot be burdened by such things. They must have the freedom to be swept away in the moment and not worry about what may happen next. They must know that there is a safety net in place to protect them no matter what they do or how foolish it might be.

There are countless other examples of this. Loan forgiveness is another one of my favorites. These people (often college kids) will take out these loans. They'll read the terms and agree to them and sign on the dotted line. They're perfectly okay with taking the money because that's the fun part. But then later when the time comes to pay it back, they get upset, complain about interest rates, and demand that these "greedy banks" stop asking for their money back. And they have politicians that actually back them up on this nonsense. Democrats, of course. But it's just another example of being protected from your own foolishness at someone else's expense. Not only is this immoral and unjust, but it ensures that the person doing the foolish thing won't learn anything from their situation. So they'll be just as likely to make similar mistakes in the future. Leftist politicians love people like this, by the way. Because it makes them extremely easy to manipulate. Hence the popular left wing tactic of pandering. Endless handouts create a dependence loop that keeps the voters helpless and foolish while giving the politicians more and more power.

This is why conservatives don't need handouts. And it's why they get livid with people trying to take their hard earned things away. Because when you exercise self-discipline, you don't need someone else to protect you from yourself. You already know how to do it on your own. Once upon a time, this was called becoming an adult. Today it is frowned upon. Because we live in a culture that discourages virtues like prudence, temperance, courage, and justice. We essentially live in a culture that discourages growing up.

You see, conservatives aren't privileged. They just make better choices. If you want what they have, you can get it just as easily. Just make different choices. And it starts with the most important fundamental one of all; learning to control yourself. If you cannot master your own thoughts, feelings, and actions, you'll never be able to succeed at anything else.

 

Nailed it.

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing nailed it.

 

That and bigger penises.

 

There's much truth to this. Your perspective you hold about how the world works plays a big part in what you experience, and what actually happens for you.

But on the other side of the coin, I think it's wrong for our society to put all the responsibility on the individual for everything that happens to them. Under the modern economic structure, no one is truly independent and self-sufficient.

 

I think you should run an occasional check before you make an absurd statement. I'm 80 years old and 56 of those years we had a Democrat in the White House. How is it you figure conservatives are more successful than Liberals? How is it that every time we have a Democrat in the White House the stock market does better?............Every Time!

Every Time a Republican is in the White House either the economy tanks or we get in a war. I know that what you folks want is a Lord/Serf society but I'm still hopeful that modern social media will take your asses down. I know I will do my part. I was once a dyed in the wool Republican and now I wouldn't vote for one of them on a dare!

 

You may want to double check your math.

 

If conservatives succeed more than liberals, why are liberals running this country?

 

What? Liberals just don't want government telling them how moral they should be since it really isn't their job.

I am pro-choice and wish we didn't need abortion. But there are times it is necessary and times it is advised. Allowing moralists to decide for me about abortion is just not my cup of tea. But do tell why you think the government should be in the exam room.

The password is RAPE....what about that?

Great so you support teaching how to use a condom in school?

Except conservatives have abortions too.

ONly if you look at them from a myopic point of view.

every person I know who defaulted or push back their student loan payments was a conservative.

Do you mean stopping predatory practices for government backed loans?????? Can you explain exactly what you are talking about.

So what you are saying is that it is immoral......but you only see one kind of person doing it. What about not paying bills you run up and filing for bankruptcy....like Donald Trump has done time and again.

EVidence?

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Except Donald Trump, or virtually any business person. But this explains the right better than I can:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/sher-valenzuela-we-built-it_n_1828847.html

You see when they are getting help from the government it isn't bad, only when the other guy is.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/the_craig_t_nelson_problem030622.php

The level of irony in this rant is stunning when you know things like facts.

Yes they lie about getting government help. Like Craig T. Nelson who said.“They’re not going to bail me out, “I’ve been on food stamps and welfare. Anybody help me out? No. No.”

That is all really? You mean there is enough to go around. wow.

Like Newt, Guliani and Trump...right wing heroes you know the kind that dump their wives every few years.

Says the guy with a fact free emotional rant.

 

You're right. I made a ten year mistake on the Roosevelt/Truman years. The total is 46/80 years. I repeat my assertion about conservatives being more successful than Liberals. They're Not!

 

Conservatives tend to be richer and vote for the party that helps keep them that way.

 

I am pretty sure he was referring to Conservative voters versus Conservative politicians, so I believe your discussion about Conservatives and Liberals in office was off the mark. I believe when talking about Conservatives being successful, he is talking about economically, and for the most part, Republicans do in fact tend to win the higher income brackets, while Democrats win the lower income brackets. Which does strongly suggest that economically, Conservative voters tend to be more successful. Obviously there are plenty of exceptions, but demographically that claim is basically true.

 

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Why is self discipline a big deal? Aren't we supposed to live any way we want and not be held accountable, or worry about the consequences? Well, isn't that what we've come to expect?

 

Because conservatives aren't out there demanding a hand-out, or offering a free lunch to anyone who demands it.

 

This might be satisfying absent a historical context, given which one cannot help but note that liberals have not always been running this country. The question, then, is why self-reliant conservatives have incrementally ceded their power to the left.

 

This is a valid question, actually. And I would say it's probably because most of them are more focused on running their own lives than on running the lives of others. And because of that, they leave the culture wide open for seizure by other people with nefarious intentions.

Thanks to Andrew Breitbart, it's finally being discussed semi-regularly now in the conservative community that conservatives must get more active in the entertainment industry, the media, and academia. Because those three outlets are what control the outcome of most elections. Because they are constantly influencing the regular average joe citizen 24/7 and 365. And they are influencing them in an almost exclusively left wing direction.

Yes, but why do they tend to be richer? Because they are more self-disciplined. And that was exactly my point. Which you've unwittingly backed up here.

This is why they vote for people who let them keep the fruits of their labors. Because they have disciplined themselves enough to produce those fruits, and when you work hard for something you don't think it's right for someone to come in and take it away from you just because somebody else wants it. If they want it, they are more than welcome to do exactly what you did and produce the same thing for themselves. This was originally how America worked before the Frankfurt school sunk its claws into it and taught the people to take instead of produce.

 

There are lots of reasons some are more successful in financial terms. Being born in to a financially successful family is probably the most accurate predictor.

Your question presents a chicken and egg issue. Did conservatives become richer because they are conservative? Or did they become conservatives because they are richer and vote for the party and philosophy that enable them to be more richer?

The vote to keep the fruits of their labors and to get more of the fruits of labors of others.

 

Did you pass the LSAT yet?

 

"Because the natural law of cause and effect dictates that unprotected sex during certain times of the menstrual cycle creates babies (biology 101 here). "

Correction: "because the natural law of cause and effect dictates that unprotected sex (or even protected sex) during potentially any time during the menstrual cycle has the infinitesimally small chance of creating babies (that is made even smaller by using protection)".

 

Except, when conservatives make worse choices, to quote:

"Conservatives were 65 percent more likely to eat fast food a few times each week, while liberals were 92 percent more likely to eat fast food rarely or never. When it comes to french fries, conservatives prefer McDonald’s and liberals have a preference for bistro-style fries.

Conservatives were 50 percent more likely to believe that no significant difference between organic foods and processed foods exists, while liberals were 28 percent more likely to disagree. Liberals are 29 percent more likely than conservatives to avoid soda and 27 percent as likely to drink only diet soda when they do. Liberals are 28 percent more likely to eat fresh fruit daily, while conservatives are 35 percent more likely to eat fresh fruit less than once each week."

Read more: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/li...eating-habits-vary-greatly.html#ixzz3U6UW2CKo

So, I am paying with MY health insurance dollars for the conservative's bypass he/she has to get from decades of eating the triple-bypass burger, while I stay healthy eating lots of fruit, vegetables and exercising regularly. How is that for making bad decisions/personal responsibility.

I don't really care that I am subsidizing conservatives with my health insurance. However, I DO resent them flaunting their supposed superior decision making into everyone else's face when evidence shows that conservatives make as many bad decisions as everyone else.

 

Actually, most truly successful people get there by taking risks. Prudence and temperance might get you to middle class status, but the middle income levels are pretty evenly split between liberal, moderate and conservative. So your whole premise seems tragically flawed.

 

I've reflected on your question. Why do they tend to be richer? And why have they gotten so much more richer since 1981?



Do you figure that in 1981, the bottom 90% suddenly became less focused running their own lives than on running the lives of others? Or that they suddenly became less disciplined?

Seems unlikely to me. Something else happened that year.



Yes, but why do they tend to be richer? Because they are more self-disciplined. And that was exactly my point. Which you've unwittingly backed up here.

This is why they vote for people who let them keep the fruits of their labors. Because they have disciplined themselves enough to produce those fruits, and when you work hard for something you don't think it's right for someone to come in and take it away from you just because somebody else wants it. If they want it, they are more than welcome to do exactly what you did and produce the same thing for themselves. This was originally how America worked before the Frankfurt school sunk its claws into it and taught the people to take instead of produce.[/QUOTE]

 

You are asking liberals to be accountable.


Okay UNIFIER, I'm requesting some accountability from you.
What you are asking as a conservative is that liberals be accountable to fairly common sense stuff.

I'm asking you to be accountable to some fairly common sense stuff.

Look what is going on in this thread.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391740&page=5&p=1064821398&posted=1#post1064821398

Or this one.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=398461&page=3&p=1064812225#post1064812225

Check any of these threads.

http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...assure-info-vital-life-shared-understood.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...privation-right-prevent-my-free-speech-6.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...ons-free-speech-inadequate-retain-rights.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...free-speech-choosing-limits-over-purpose.html

You will find unaccountability relating to Americans ability to alter or abolish government destructive to their unalienable rights.

It got so bad that Tram Law saw it and made a preposterous thread using reverse psychology to try and get som accountability to reason and acknowledging the purpose of a very important law. Free speech.

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/394345-we-should-get-rid-free-speech.html

So as a conservative asking liberals for accountability, consider the possibility that their unaccountability psychologically mirrors that of conservatives who refuse to actually defend the constitution, its principles OR even discuss the purposes of the laws under it.

 

Prudence is what discerns an intelligent risk from a foolish risk. And temperance regulates what you wager according to what seems most likely to produce the best outcome. Those two things are the very essence of greatness. So try again.

 

If you whittle away the rhetoric, all that would be left of this post is the period!