versions of the same rifle. Beyond about 10m of distance, all the full auto firing does is waste ammo. but it DOES have the psychological effect of making the shooter THINK that he's accomplishing something, which is sometimes vital in getting cannon fodder type troops to achieve their mission, (regardless of casulties).
10m? It isn't that hard to hold onto an automatic weapon. Beyond that, one shot per manipulation of the trigger is certainly better.
yes, it IS that hard, cause targets don't hold still and they use cover. With few exceptions (like a silenced HK9mm) 10m is about the effective range limit. The M16, for instance, when aimed at the crotch and fired in 3 shot burst mode, either hits the head or goes over the shoulder with the 3rd shot. to get 3" groups at 50 yds, HK's caseless has to fire at a rate of 2000 rpm, all 3 shots have to be in the barrel at the same time, in order to get that small a grouping if the M60, from the bipod, is fired in a continuous 100 rd burst, the beaten zone is 3 ft wide at a mere 50 yds.
The M16 is hardly difficult to control when set for full-automatic. [video=youtube;a3dkkJsRJ8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3dkkJsRJ8Y[/video] Nor is the AK-47. [video=youtube;7cl9wE8JBgM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cl9wE8JBgM[/video] Your position is debunked. Attempt a different argument.
Obviously you can hang on to it on full auto. Taking aimed, single shots is best. Full auto is really just used to suppress a position. What point are you trying to make? What does this have to do with gun control?
El Kabong!!!! You claim to be Mr. Knowitall regarding firearms, and you assert that three rounds possibly CAN be in the barrel at the same time???? Let's do a tiny bit of review here..... Projectiles attain velocity because they are pushed by a column of gas in the barrel. If the action were to open before that projectile exited the muzzle, the propellent gas would vent through the breech. This would normally blast the magazine out the bottom of the firearm, rendering it inoperable. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the action to cycle a new round into the chamber until after the projectile has exited the muzzle. On average, from the time the primer is ignited to the time when the bullet leaves the muzzle, 3 milliseconds have elapsed (in an M4 carbine). That's three thousandths of a second. If the action were chambering and firing a new round every time a projectile left the muzzle, that would be 330 rounds per second. Due to mechanical inefficiency, the gun can't run that fast, but if it could it would work out to more like 20,000 rounds per minute. My point is that you just blew your entire cool guy image by claiming that it's even possible for a gun to fire with three rounds in the barrel at once. Get back to Wikipedia, please.
can you READ? I said that HK ACCOMPLISHED this so your mere "theory" is bs. They did it with CASELESS ammo, so read up on the FACTs, jack. the gun, in such rapidfireing mode, fires only a 3 shot burst. if it is fired in normal full auto mode, it fires 12 shots per second. This is OLD news, man, where you been? HK achieved this like 20 years ago, but the military doesnn't like the fragility of caseless ammo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucOPmeLC83g
The video you present does nothing to support your claim that three rounds are simultaneously within the barrel of the H&K G11 prototype rifle.
i"m not going to do your research for you, but the FACT is that 3 rds in the barrel at once is how HK CLAIMED that they achieved the 2" at 50 yds disperion/groupiing of a 3 shot burst. Your bs "explanation" just totally overlooks the savings of cycling time, etc, possible with caseless ammo. There's no ejection cycle, and the bolt of the HK rotates 180 degrees during the cycling (IIRC) I don't really know the details, very few of the HK rifles were produced, but I know what I read, and I know that you're full of it with your claim.
Just as the Colt manufacturing company claimed the M16 rifle was self-cleaning? Just as every paid advertisement claims their product will work as shown in the commercial? If you are going to make the claim, you should at least be able to defend it when the validity is questioned, rather than demanding that you be proven wrong. A high cycling rate, and no ejection cycle, does not mean that all three discharged rounds are simultaneously in the barrel. And therein lays the crux of the discussion. You admit to not knowing the details. Then you should not be attempting to argue something you do not understand. What you read about the prototypes is questionable, as you have not even presented the information for review.
It wouldn't matter if there were no ejection cycle. The breech still has to be opened by some means to insert another round. With a typical 9mm sub sonic round, breech pressure is around 18~20,000 psi. It is physically impossible to open the breech and insert another round without venting that pressure. An intelligent 12 year old could explain this to you. With this in mind, please tell us how that 2nd. and third round get into the barrel?????
