Senate Democrats to Introduce A Socialist 'Public Option'

Sen. Patty Murray (D) and Rep. Frank Pallone (D) are asking for public input on how to craft a "federally administered public option that provides quality, affordable health coverage throughout the United States."

Their goal "is to work towards achieving universal coverage, while making health care simpler and more affordable for patients and families."

We all saw how destructive government-run healthcare could be, thanks to obamacare.

And that wasn't even "universal healthcare." It was just a heavily government-controlled health care policy.

Now, Democrats are pushing to create a "public option," aka; government-run health care.

While "free" health care sounds great, it never produced the kind of adequate health care people need.

As seen in Europe or any place that has universal health care, patients can look forward to long waiting times, subpar care, and limited options.

Keep in mind, Joe Biden had previously refused to push universal health care.

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Well, is anyone surprised that the dems are pushing more and more socialism down the throats of the American people? I started a post here titled 'Do you prefer Socialism or Capitalism', and there were too many responses for me to have actually read them all. But is there anyone here that has read or posted to that particular post, or any other discussion about socialism that is in full favor of socialism, as it's many facets are being currently administered here in America?

 

Nonsense. Give up your Medicare and VA benefits. Then you can talk.

 

We all knew this was coming, you do not think they made ObamaCare that bad by mistake?

The only thing I would argue with the OP is that a "public option," is not government-run health care....it is government-run health insurance. It may seem trivial, but it is a major difference.

 

If I had the chance to give it up long ago I would have but the government forced me into it so I'm stuck with it. Now we can talk.

 

Forced you into what?

 

Wrong, you can give it up.

 

Stuck with what? VA benefits? Medicare? No you're not. GIVE THEM UP. Is that clearer the second time?

 

The Constitution says in Article 1 to raise and support Armies. There are only a couple of factions where I think its necessary under the rules laid out by our Constitution that apply to the American citizenry, such as with supporting our military and it's veterans. Being a disabled veteran myself, I do believe I earned that monetary compensation and that the Constitution confirms that. But I don't see anywhere in the Constitution that even comes close to having the government pay for Medicare, or pay for our housing, or pay for our schooling etc. Having said that, and taking the Constitution into account here, do you think its Constitutional to apply-proffer a socialistic government-run policy like "free" universal healthcare
for the American people?

 

The average American couple will spend over $180,000 in health care during their retirement.

The average American has about $65,000 saved for retirement.

There is a disconnect here that pure capitalism isn't going to be able to solve.
It's going to need to be some type of hybrid system cause the simple fact is that the average American isn't going
to be able to afford healthcare in retirement.

 

It would actually be simple to create a public healthcare option in which the government is not involved after the initial set up and providing money when needed. In fact that is ALL that they should do. At least on that end. Put it in a pool which hospitals/clinics can then apply to withdraw the money from. No restrictions beyond having to prove that they had a patient and what care that patient had (so as to help prevent fraud). No restrictions on the type of care or medications (as long as its all FDA approved of course).

If the above is done then I would have no problem as the government is not controlling the healthcare.

Is it socialist? Don't care really. We have many parts of society that can be considered "socialist". As long as the government itself is not socialist then we've been fine and will be fine. Indeed I do believe that government has a vested interest in trying to help keep its population healthy. A healthy populace has many advantages. Too many too list really.

 

That's nice. Give up your socialist medicine or quit yet bitchin. Simple

 

Whatever they come up with couldn't be any worse or crooked than the present system. We presently have THE WORST least cost effective CROOKED system anywhere in the modern world today.

 

The post wrongly presumes the public option has something to do with healthcare and Democrat socialism has something to do with personal economics.

 

Is Medicare government run health care or government run health insurance???

 

the latter

 

The problem with our healthcare is you have NO IDEA what anything costs until AFTER IT HAS BEEN USED ON YOU. I have doctors billing me through Medicare that I have never ever heard of or seen.

 

Yep.

 

Insurance. The VA is care.

 

What socialist medicine? As I mentioned in post #8 that VA compensation/medicines et al are most surely recognized as being a Constitutional right. All these other government freebies handed out by our government like Medicare, social security etc. are not and should not be leveled onto the American populace, and paid for by the taxpayers.

Here's an option for you: As promoted by George Bush and others was to have first time American workers set up a private medical account or a private investment account similar to that of an IRA or a worker's 401K plan. Of course those already putting $$ into SS will keep that govt program. Instead of putting money into a non interest social security fund which in of itself may soon go bankrupt because our govt uses those funds for who knows what; why not divert those SS funds into an interest accruing account to be used for medical needs or whatever they want?

But to keep having the Leftist-run government control virtually all aspects of our lives is just plain stupid, unnecessary, un-American and a freedom killing plan to move into an all-out socialist state.

 

Stop playing dumb!

Medicare is the federal health insurance program for:

• People who are 65 or older
• Certain younger people with disabilities
• People with End-Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or a transplant, sometimes called ESRD)

https://www.medicare.gov/what-medicare-covers/your-medicare-coverage-choices/whats-medicare

AND, VA Health is the only SOCIALIST Health Care System in the U.S.............Do you understand why?

 

Nobody, at least not me, wants to run down our own doctors.

So let me tell the story from my side and then the doctors side.
My side is so happy Democrats love sticking it up the asses of the rest of the working public.
Democrats gave me Social Security but the also flawed Medicare and Medicaid programs.

How can this be?

Well back to my doctor. What is he paid when I am his patient?

If lucky he gets about 60 percent of what he bills.

I want you to figure how you would like it if the Feds told your employer to only pay you 60 percent of what your union got you.

I have had bills from the Doctor that are totally free to me and leave the doctor out in the cold and he was paid nothing at all.
Performed a service to me that he did for free.

Now you are the doctor being pissed on.

How well do you care for we freebies vs those who pay you a just charge?

By the way, by law I am not allowed to pay the Doctor because the Feds told me not to pay the doctors.
This has happened to at least 8 doctors who I went to you on the request of other doctors.
You may like this. But if you get to the age to have the Feds pay for your medicine, I believe your care by doctors has to decline.

 

The VA is socialism.

 

Do you understand that your doctor understands a hell of a lot that you do not because you do not have his education?

Now the VA is a doctor mill like other free services are.
Medicare is a system designed to cheat the doctors who treat you.

 

Currently it is both.

 

I served this nation in the Army. I was honorably discharged.
The VA will not do a thing for me. NOTHING AT ALL.