Senator Rand Paul Going to Socialist Canada to Undergo Surgery

What makes you think the National SOCIALIST German Workers' Party and Mussolini's fascists in Italy were "far right"?

Have you read Hayek's The Road to Serfdom?

Chapter 12 is titled "The Socialist Roots of Nazism", and in it he notes the following:

"It is significant that the most important ancestors of National Socialism [Johann Gottlieb] Fricht, [Johann Karl] Rodbertus and {Fredinand] Lassalle - are at the same time acknowledged fathers of socialism."

Same thing with the fascists in Italy. As Mussolini confessed in "The Doctrine of Fascism":

"...in the great river of Fascism one can trace currents which had their source in Sorel, Peguy, Lagardelle of the Movement Socialists..."

Back to the Nazis, Johann Plenge, another National Socialist ideologue, noted the following:

"The war economy created in Germany in 1914 "is the first realization of a socialist society, and its spirit the first active, and not merely demanding, appearance of a socialist spirit. The needs of the war have established the socialist idea in German economic life, and thus the defense of our nation produced for humanity the idea of 1914, the idea of German organization, the people's community (Volksgemeinschaft) of national socialism..."

What should really strike people's eyes - particularly individuals such as yourself - is this declaration from Mussolini's manifesto:

"Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State...The Fascist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism, is totalitarian, and the Fascist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."

You could replace the word "fascist" with "progressive" and the statement would remain true.

This should be anything but surprising given that Mussolini was a leading member of the Italian Socialist Party before he defied the International by supporting Italy's involvement in World War I and got himself thrown out of the ISP.

Finally, historian George Watson had this to say in "Hitler and the Socialist Dream":

...Hitler’s discovery was that socialism could be national as well as international. There could be a national socialism. That is how he reportedly talked to his fellow Nazi Otto Wagener in the early 1930s. The socialism of the future would lie in “the community of the volk”, not in internationalism, he claimed, and his task was to “convert the German volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists”, meaning the entrepreneurial and managerial classes left from the age of liberalism. They should be used, not destroyed. The state could control, after all, without owning, guided by a single party, the economy could be planned and directed without dispossessing the propertied classes.

http://socialismtoday.info/blog/2018/01/15/hitler-socialist-dream/

Read the whole thing - you'll never make the mistake of referring to the Nazis as "right wing" again.

The similarities between "progressives" and fascists is striking. For example, when progs aren't trying to establish direct government control over health care, energy, and other sectors of our economy they're trying to impose the de facto government control that the fascists in Germany and Italy imposed on those countries.

 

His hatred and violence were motivated by his dislike of the Senator's politics. Pure leftist terror.

 

You think taking cheap shots and painting an entire group with a broad stroke makes you appear truthful and wise? It didn't work.

 

A true American knows that Alex Jones is crazy and that Steve Bannon is a fascist, among all of the crazy alt right media.

If the truth hurts, tough, Doof.

Here's some truth. Some GOP Senators now are in collusion with Trump to protect Russian criminals. Michael Cohen admitted that he had a polling company right the polls for Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/ex-rnc-chair-puts-trump-055126870.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=2_11

Patriotic America from the responsible right to responsible left is now committed to destroying the Trump wing of politics in America.

 

The truth doesn't hurt me as I don't follow a political party. I will even agree with you on many issues when it comes to criticizing Republicans. As long as you are not trying to claim that Democrats are any better.

 

I never said it was political.

So where is the proof that Paul put "trash" on someone else's property?

I don't consider a cowardly blindside attack on someone to be an ass-whooping. I'm old fashioned like that.

 

He's going to what Canadians call a super hospital, and what Americans call a hospital. It's essentially a privately owned for profit hospital.

So it isn't as hypocritical as you'll like to frame it to be.

 

And yet both Hitler and Mussolini were just fine with maintaining and expanding those systems. And they would be, considering the kind of power that a nationalized healthcare system gives the government over the people.

 

"Far righties" who loved national healthcare, just like you.

 

I put "far right" in quotes precisely because I do not recognize the coherence of such terminology.

As Hayek rightly pointed out, the Nazis and fascists generally were socialists.

 

Answer for what?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/14/rand-paul-canada-surgery-neighbor-attack-1099485

 

Ahhhhh read your article, it is a private hospital, not a government hospital. He will be paying for the services, not the Canadian government.

 

Goebbels, their propaganda minister left for us to read, his diary. In the Diary he contended that once Hitler won the war, all lands he conquered would be full blown socialist. And he improved the economy of Germany using his socialist ideology. What surprises me a lot is the way our modern Democratic socialists try to put distance between their ideology and Hitler's. Face it, they actually could try to make a good case for Socialism with Adolph being one of their heros. When FDR went gung ho, he used what Hitler used.

 

Bluesguy does not know that 60% of the Canadian hospitals are private yet have to follow government regulations.

 

Goebbel's diary reports nothing of the sort about socialized conquered lands.

 

The whole premise of this thread is STUPID.

He is using Canada's Free Market with his own money for the procedure. Nothing he is doing has to do with Canada's Socialized Health Care, which is a fiasco.

 

HB Surfer, if that were only true.

The hospital has to follow Canadian rules and regulations.

 

So what? This is operating in a free market and Rand is a paying customer, it has nothing to do with the socialistic Canadian health care system. And yes Canada grows more and more private as the government system proves it cannot provide the promised care.

 

Must have been a right wing rag like Breitfart.

When you attack a man's family you deserve an ass whoopin.

 

You didn't?

I said the man thought Paul put trash on his property.

Ass whoopin, beat down, etc.

 

Canada legalized pot. RP just figured he'd get himself some after surgery.

 

My source was NBC News.

When someone launches a cowardly blind side attack they deserve to be shot. On at least two occasions you have acted like such an attack is a stand up fight conducted per your concept of a modern day code duello when it was nothing of the sort in either incident. With crazy and violent liberals roaming around Rand Paul has hopefully learned his lesson and in the future will be armed. He may also want to build a wall.

 

As a libertarian he would probably support legalization in the US. Funny how pot smoking Presidents (like Obama) have done nothing to legalize Pot. Somehow it is Trump with his First Step Act prison reform who is going to release thousands how have been convicted for illegal pot in a travesty of justice.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/trump-praised-pro-black-white-house-prison-reform-event-n896526

 

Socialists are not for freedom. They are for control of the masses and forced labor. They believe labor makes you free. They believe most folks are too stupid to live, unless they are producing. Yes, we, as capitalists with a socialist subculture agree with that, but we know it is wrong to force them to work or to euthanize those who will not or cannot.

If you look at what the founding fathers tried to make, it looks a lot like they didn't care about the poor. In fact, they believed it was up to you to make your living as you wanted, or to make no living and die from starvation. That, is liberty.

Churches were taking care of the sick and unable to work.