SENIOR HAMAS OFFICIAL : WE WILL CLEANSE PALESTINE OF THE FILTH OF THE JEWS

Ha.. I hadn't considered that possibility.. I thought maybe they just needed a national hero.

 

Palestine was under foreign control for most of its history. There's plenty of evidence for a Muslim majority with a smaller Christian population.. You can go to the census of 1860 or you can read the travels of Ibn Battuta or Rabbi Benjamin of Tuleda.

Most Palestinians were not bedu. They were shopkeepers, potters, farmers, craftsmen.. and bedouin are organized with with an affiliated village of settled relatives.

The Arab Jews from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Yemen etc didn't invent Zionism. They would still be living all over the Arab world if not for the Europeans.

 

Even though I try to respond to all civil & on topic Posts, I feel that I have already made clear the reasons I feel that Wikipedia & Jewish Virtual Library are bias & incomplete sources especially in citing the heinous atrocities committed by Jewish terrorist Gangs during the Nakba.
For example both Red Cross representative Jacques de Reynier and Assistant Inspector-General Richard Catling of the British Palestine Police related the following:
"Remembering the massacre at Deir Yassin"
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180409-remembering-the-massacre-at-deir-yassin/
EXCERPT "In a subsequent report he concluded that there was “no doubt” that the Jewish groups had committed numerous sexual atrocities against the villagers.

“Many young schoolgirls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested. One story is current concerning a case in which a young girl was literally torn in two. Many infants were also butchered and killed. I also saw one old woman who gave her age as one hundred and four who had been severely beaten about the head with rifle butts.”CONTINUED

While the additional bayonetting of 25 pregnant Palestinian women in the abdomen by Zionist terrorists may not count as a "sexual atrocity", it is, however, an atrocity omitted in sanitized versions edited by Hasbara disinformation agents in numerous other renditions.

Naturally, you are free to rely on the sources of your choice but because there are thousands of paid Hasbara propagandists dedicated to scouring the internet(1) to purge the internet of complete & accurate accounts of Zionist crimes & atrocities, I prefer to look more deeply when researching related topics.


(1) "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen.

Israel and partisans of Israel have long had a significant presence on the Internet, working to promote the Israel narrative and block facts about Palestine, the Israel lobby, and other subject matter they wish covered up.

In addition to these, however, a number of orchestrated, often well-funded projects sponsored by the Israeli government and others have come to light. These projects work to place pro-Israel content throughout the Internet, and to remove information Israel doesn’t wish people to know.

Under this program, Israeli students are paid $2,000 to work five hours per week to “lead the battle against hostile websites.”

Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED

 

I sourced that "The Roman Empire took control of part of the Hejaz in 106 CE"


you were saying?

 

really

 

What Part, they never went to Mecca.
There was no Mecca. There was no reason to go there.
They were on the trade routes. The existing settlements.
Look at the topography on google earth.

 

Trade routes went thru what was Mecca.

According to Islamic tradition, the history of Mecca goes back to Abraham (Ibrahim), who built the Kaaba with the help of his elder son Ishmael in around 2000 BCE, when the inhabitants of the site then known as Bakkah had fallen away from the original monotheism of Abraham through the influence of the Amalekites.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

A report from the military intelligence SHAI of the Haganah entitled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948," dated 30 June 1948, affirms that:
At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%… of the emigration." A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or...h-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present
You can spot the amount of Arabs dropped from 1,267,037 to 156,000 in just 2 years... where the Israeli intel claims they are overwhelmingly directly guilty of that.

You think there is a heck of a lot of prove around that a lot of Jews in present day Israel, are only the 1st or 2nd generation immigrants who lived in Russia, Europe and the US for centuries on end? And them lot are living on land who they ethnic cleansed to thieve from Arabs.

 

There are lots of things according to Islamic tradition, but Islamic tradition is fabricated mostly in the 9th and 10th century.
Trade routes did not go into Mecca. A desolate settlement, Up hill, many miles through the desert, The Meccans had to run their caravans to the nearest trade route on the Red sea. Look at Mecca on Google earth.

I covered who supposedly built the Kab'ba on the other post and don't want to keep repeating the same thing.

Islam is full of contradictions, and where the excuse is interpretations, the reality is which claim the sects chose to follow.

 

That whole escarpment is raised.

 

It's overwhelmingly clear that the supposed quote from the SHAI report is not a quote from the SHAI report. The source is Ilan Pappe. Once again, Wikipedia fails to deliver as promised.

Please link to the report itself.

What the report really says is that most Arabs left because of the war, not because their leaders told them to. They simply fled to avoid war. Let's not forget that the war had been started by Arabs, by the way. Only 2% were expelled by Jewish forces. Here goes the myth of mass expulsions of Arabs by Jews.

Well, no proof for a Palestinian nation then.

Please explain why shouldn't Palestine belong to the 1st or 2nd generation immigrants who lived in Russia, Europe and the US for centuries on end, but instead it should belong to the 1st or 2nd generation immigrants who lived in Morocco, Egypt, Iraq, or the Arabian Peninsula for centuries on end.

Disclaimer: I'm in no way acquiescing to your claims about the majority of Jewish immigrants to Palestine being latecomer Europeans. Oriental Jews were the majority until the end of the 70's.

You'll have to prove the claims in your last sentence.

 

Nope. The footnotes aint pointing to him.

You aint quoting that report one bit.

Seems obvious enough that a bunch of ethnic cleansing thieves who immigrated from somewhere else, got no rights to what they stole. And that goes for their children as well.

 

That's right, that used to be all Jewish land, but the conquering forces took it away from them.

 

I dunno how people can claim to own land based on their ethnic/religious background. Sounds like an excuse of a fascist of having more rights based on ethnic/religious grounds than others. We used to kill those people some decades ago.

 

It is kind of dumb, but all religions do it.

 

It's your argument to claim that Jews got some right, which they obviously do not.
And I don't recall other religions do that, other than ISIS.

 

ISIS is Islam.

According to Islam, All land that was once muslim, is always muslim.
Many even want Spain back.

 

you're just moving the goalpost away from your fascist statement about the Jews having this ethnic/religious right that they don't have, by basically making the ridiculous claim that ISIS is the true Islam.

 

Actually I didn't make the claim that ISIS is the true Islam, However, they are following the teachings, and deeds of Muhammed.
Abū Bakr al-Baghdad has degrees in Islamic teachings.
Are you claiming you know more about Islam than he does.

There is no such thing as "True Islam", though each of the countless sects will claim their's is, and they will kill you if you disagree.

 

All you do is confirm that you moved the goalpost away from your fascist statement that Jews got this "right" based on their ethnic background and religion that they own land.

 

Please stop making up stuff and saying I said it.
The Jews have a right because they conquered the land, and it is theirs.


They owned it 17 times in the last 4000 years, more than anyone, and each time they got it back was because of superior military.

 

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The footnotes point to three different sources, which is rather weird for one supposed quote. Who's quoting who, then? One of the footnotes points to an article in Le Monde Diplomatique, which gives the sources for the article. One of the sources - though not the only one - is Ilan Pappe. Anyway, three very different sources for the same quote are a bit much even for Wikipedia, I'd say.

No, of course not, since I didn't read the report. I only wrote what I understood from those few words in the Wikipedia article. Have you read the report?

You mean, like the nephew of that Moroccan immigrant, and his children? I really don't think they stole the land, but in a larger sense, yes, they have no right to claim Palestine for themselves.

Yep. I couldn't agree more, especially when I read something like this:

https://www.palestinianbasiclaw.org/basic-law/2002-basic-law

Yet so many people who reject Zionism as an ethnoreligious anomaly, support the creation of an ethnoreligious Muslim Arab state instead. Go figure.

 

Please source this so called right that armed robbery gives you the right to keep stolen property.
Talking about making stuff up...

So what. My great grandfather used to live somewhere. Doesn't mean I can just take it when somebody of a different ethnicity lives there now. Your arguments are just utterly and utterly disgustingly racist. It oozes with a nazi like doctrine of ubermenschen and untermenschen.

 

Most of the ISIS players are illiterate drug addicts... who don't know much about Islam.