Seven MPs leave Labour Party in protest at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

3 Tories have left the Conservative Party and apparently joined up with the Magnificent 7

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...fect-independent-group-soubry-allen-wollaston



The Blairite/Tory 'left' party begins to build.

 

Interesting how does that affect the Tory majority? Does it just make the ERG and DUP even more powerful?

 

Tory party turning into Blukip, that one is going to run!

 

The article is there to frighten the horses.

The supposed softening of Starmer's position is nothing of the sort. Allowing someone a work visa if a post cannot be filled from the current workforce is exactly the position Germany has with respect to non-EU employees.

No, I'm pointing out that the EU has repeatedly pointed out that wanting to strike separate trade deals is incompatible with customs union membership.

There is no possible Norway or Norway-like deal unless the UK recognises the four freedoms and Labour has consistently and repeatedly stated that they are unacceptable. Allowing someone a work visa if no-one locally can fill a post is not free movement of anything no matter how much the Mail misrepresents it.

The Labour Party is currently proposing a Turkey minus (a customs union but with looser ties) not anything resembling a Norway deal.

It's nothing like a Norway deal. Labour wants to reject the four freedoms, opt out of certain EU legislation, negotiate separate trade deals and so on.

 

Cerberus do you have Alexa on ignore? Otherwise you would see who the question was for.
Oh wait, you have me on ignore.
Damn, if everyone weren't such pu55ies this would be so much easier.

 

Who said that ?

 

Nice portmanteau - I'll definitely be stealing and using that one.....

 

I think it probably does.

 

OK this woman was the next to leave Labour. Another one who was for the chop anyway.

 

Unbelievable. I say about three times no point in continuing this and you go ahead and re-answer with your position as if you are the person who holds reality and everyone else is just talking nonsense just like earlier on in this thread you were going on about Corbyn being an anti-Semite. I don't think you know what is going on.

 

...and now they've done it by stealth...Europe dances to Germany's tune...who da man....Frizty da man!....

 

I can't help it if you're using a Daily Mail article designed to frighten Mail readers into being frightened that Labour might cancel, or at the very least water down, Brexit as your definitive position on Labour intentions.

Any kind of Norway deal is off the table because Labour is dead set against free movement of people (allowing work visas for people with job offers where there is no-one in the UK who can do the job is not free movement - it's paraphrasing the existing position in Germany and the UK for non-EU workers) and yet you insist that a Norway deal is on the cards. It would require a complete volte-face from Labour on freedom of movement for that to be the case.

Jeremy Corbyn may or may not be an anti-Semite but he has said anti-Semitic things for which he has later apologised, he has enthusiastically shared platforms with anti-Semites and he leads a party where anti-Semitism appears to be rife.

 

oy vey....dusty old Comrade Corbyn doesn't seem to know what he wants....apart from his flies open and Diane Abbot on her knees....

 

Does anybody know if Chuka's 10 Muckers have a new name yet?

 

Like I've just posted on another thread but it's worth airing again on this one . . . show Corbyn a gallery and he'll play to it?

 

Only if you accept the new definition of antisemitism which equates Israel to The Jews. The entire shitstorm is about Israel trying to censor debate. It is silly no one would call me rascist for criticism of Zimbabwe!

 

"Shamima Begum has right to return to UK - Jeremy Corbyn"

A third-rate populist wanna-be prime minister speaks his words of wisdom?

FFS what have we come to?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47319763

 

Do you think McDonnell is setting Corbyn up to fail? I mean with this flash in the pan scenario with Chukas Muckers all spitting vitriol at Jezza you have old Johnny boy who is just quietly smarming his way around trying to clean up the mess whilst Jezza hurrumphs and puffs at the world. McDonnell I think understands that the left of the party needs to keep their voices on low volume for the moment and seems to be trying to keep everyone focused on the next election rather than engaging in all the Brexit and anti-semitism garbage. Both Corbyn and McD are cut from the same cloth but I think that McD seems to know how to play the game at the moment and....well...it just seems that Corbyn is being set up...??

 

Do I think? ****ed if I know what to think at the moment! I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

We have come to you. Its rather sad.

 

Well there y'go - it takes all kinds?

 

I like Novara Media

 

Here's Jonathan Cook and the Mag 7 and friends and antisemitism. He is talking a bout the obviously connived decision to put the reason for their leaving on Brexit and antisemitism , sometimes institutional antisemitism

He then talks about people calling Corbyn and his supporters 'far left' and points out what everyone always misses which is that he is just what Labour was before the Blairites took it to the right in the 90's.

So in conclusion the report

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2019-02-21/anti-semitism-divide-britain-labour-party/

which is what the situation always was. Does not stop all anti Corbyn's shamelessly screaming antisemitism. It is another of the things that gives me great cause for concern about British Democracy - that libel and slander is continually levelled against the Opposition Leader. The extent of the lies which are continually published against Corbyn led the LSE study to believe it far exceeded free speech and in a democracy such behaviour towards the leader of the opposition was a real threat to that Democracy.

Cook then looks at who the eight Labour leavers are - at least 3 of them by the way were likely to be deselected.

He then speaks about how even Al Jazeera's documentaries which showed how a man from the Israeli embassy was working to 'bring down' MP's who cared about the Palestinian's having rights and how other people from the Embassy had managed to get jobs in Parliament to conduct what people said had no effect on them - never mind what was filmed of Joan Ryan and the Labour Friends of Israel in action

I said earlier that antisemitism is no longer hatred of Jews for being Jews but now rather wanting Israel to obey International law and he writes about this

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2019-02-21/anti-semitism-divide-britain-labour-party/

It was Bower who I mentioned earlier who I had seen starkly claiming that Corbyn had done something our of pure antisemitism, when I knew the history of the incident and that was completely untrue.

and he ends by saying it is the revenge of the Blairites who have believe that continually saying Labour is anti-Semite till the cows come home will allow them to destroy the left in the UK and keep Imperialism going. They do not fight Corbyn policies, not even his views on Israel because they know that if these things came out in the open he would have more rather than less people interested in following that way. It just is sick that any country which considers itself a democracy acts like this.

New Party, last stand for British Imperialism.

Excellent article by Cook. Oh yes and he mentions that Tom Watson is a Labour Friend of Israel - Oh I didn't say one of the main things which the Al Jazeera report made clear is that Labour Friends of Israel and all the other British Friends of Israel are not British created groups - they all are created and come out of the Israeli Embassy and that seems to be where most of our Labour Leavers have their greatest loyalty.

 

If labour lose the next election because of the Israeli lobby and their dammed lies it will not be forgotten. Israel is already in bed with the far right in many countries and they will turn on Israel AND jews in general when they are no longer useful, the left has for along time protected Jews in this country, many will see them as enemies regardless of whether they support Israel or not. There are dangerous times ahead.

 

It looks more like corruption in our country. All countries will try and get whatever they can. Imagine if something like this had come out and it had become public knowledge that Russia was acting like this?!!!!!!

In this case however even when Al Jazeera exposed that there was a deliberate intent from the Israeli Embassy to bring down Members of the UK Parliament for their political views on Israel and even though in this case the person was a Tory and not only that but that such people were instructing Members of Parliament what to ask at question time so that the Government was forced to in advance say it would support anything Israel did against the Palestinians, indeed support the 2014 Gaza war before it was announced as well as Friends of Israel being in no way British Groups but rather groups created from the Israeli Embassy, even when all that came out and when Corbyn correctly pointed out this was an attack on our Sovereignty and an immediate robust enquiry must be done, May took no action. It is much more like corruption in our Government.

Al Jazeera has done similar research and made a film on similar going on in the US. Similar but I hear much much worse. It has never been made public. Qatar was blackmailed into not screening it after the Saud's blamed them for all terrorism in the ME, isolated them and threatened war - something Trump appeared to go along with.

(The Electronic Intifada has got its hand on it and released it but I have not watched it yet.)