Except that the laws in deut are to be ignored by modern Christians and therefore don't apply. So you guys say.
Maybe you should actually read it rather than just telling us you have ... many times. Maybe, as so many atheists quote deuteronomy, you should take a gander at all the different types of sexual immorality spelled out in the text. Apparently, while you are accusing others of struggling with a single word, the English language itself bedevils you? And indeed, perhaps ONE OF THESE DAYS, you could refer to Jesus and his teachings - which is what binds us Christians. Or maybe mention that fact that modern Jews consider adultry to be both man and woman cheating. Whatever did Christians do before you showed up mighty Prophet?
The law of Moses is considered the lower law, its necessary in his time because the Israelites COULD NOT live the higher law. Jesus brings us the higher law - and that is what we live by. But heh, you go ahead and cheat on your girlfriend and wife and tell her you are bound by the OT law -- so no sin has occured. See how far that gets you.
Right, because every single person on the face of this planet must live by God's laws, especially the heathen non believers. The Bible is for everybody to follow, and everybody must follow the Bible.
You are right, we are talking about the parts of the Bilble you simply ignore - to declare something Christian which is most certainly not.
Keeping sex within marriage does avoid many problems. - There is no potential for STDs. - There is no potential for bastard children. - It helps both people to feel secure in the relationship. - It reduces the likelihood of divorce - and all the issues that brings. Promiscuity allows you to vent some of your bestial impulses, but offers no real benefits to you - just temporary pleasure with a lot of risk.
There is absolutely no guarantee against those things unless the married couple are virgins. And as far as divorce goes, marriage in America has a fifty percenty fail rate. So i really don't see all the greatness about marriage.
If you are not interested in what the law of God in the Bible was that is fine. I dont think that Jesus addresses promiscuity directly.
Maybe you should read what you write kiddo. That is why logical people use a thesis statement. Mine would be that promiscuity and other forms of sexual immorality are wrong - based on Christian doctrine. Furthermore, it really is a choice about what you value, sex or God. From this we get ... all people are bound by the Bible? Apparently, that was MY dirty trick there?
Maybe you should read the Bible and found out. If you did, you would know and not use phrases like, "I don't think ..." We know. And that is why you continuously find yourself in conflict with the other Christians on this forum. Do you honestly think that Christianity supports promiscuity? Seriously?
You can have sex out of marge and still respect people love people have commitments have honor and have genuine affection And you can have those for the people you have sex with as well
And i stand by what I wrote. It was dishonest for you to zap me in that manner. It was a dishonest trick to zap me like that. You really do like using those tactics to zap people. That's what makes you a troll. There is no such thing as logic from Christians when using the Bible. None at all. If true logic were to be used, then you'd have a very different Bible and one far less contradictory. The very basis of faith itself is illogical, because one must believe in an invisible man in the sky has to micromanage our lives, every single human of the face of this planet, from everything we wear to whom we can choose as a partner. That is very illogical in and of itself. And now you're saying that sex or God is mutually exclusive, we must choose one or the other. God was never against sex, just immoral sex. It seems you have a different interpretation of what immoral sex is than I do and many others as well. And it does indeed seem that to you sex must be for married people only. I do not share that notion, and it bothers me to no end. I don't see why people have to be married to have sex. And it does create problems too. For a personal anecdote, I once knew this guy who bragged about marrying twelve women just so he could have sex with them, then he divorced them right away. Now you just gave me an idea. Maybe someone should write the Logical bible. That is a bible for Christianity that uses logic. I wonder what it would really be like. I wish I could write it.
Agh, so we are back to calling people trolls ... as you use one strawman after another. Its pretty simple kiddo. If you are choosing, and it is a choice, to sleep with five different people in a week, then you clearly value sex above pretty much everything else. If you DO value God, then you will seek to follow his commandments - and right at the top of the old list would be genuine love and affection for other people - his creation. Now, can you tell me how you using someone, devoid of love, as a sexual release is some how pleasing to God? But, once again, what's being said is that you have to choose either God or sex ... in total. Not actually follow the Bible and be mongamous? Oh well, I am glad you think those of us who have read the Bible, understand it, and attempt to follow it are all trolls. What is it YOU value? Quite clearly it is pride. Funny thing, that too is in the Bible.
The problem is not so much that the Bible is illogical. The problem is that a lot of people reading it are. And that includes both atheists and Christians on this forum.
And it is you who should be wary of it. And yes, I do believe in monogamous relationships. And I am against immoral sex. But not enforcing it. I don't believe it should be regulated or legislated. And no, it is not that simple. For everything you can think of, there is a problem and an exception. For example, a person may be sleeping around a lot, but not like doing it. They do it because it's expected of them by whatever rules people or society claim. In this day and age, many places in America judge a man by how much sex they have, for if they don't have sex then they can't be a true man, as one example. I don't understand it myself, but that is out there. I also think it's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) myself. And no, I only think people like you are trolls. Because no one can have a true civil discussion with you without doing things like blaming all atheists for the ills that Christians suffer, or you just zap me like you did with that go ahead and have sex and see where it gets you remark, or you do what you can you turn the argument back onto the other person in order to put him or her on the defense. It is a very judgmental remark, and the Bible does say to judge not lest ye be judged in kind, and that vengeance belongs only to the Lord. if you want a true civil debate with me, you should refrain from doing such things. Respect in in how one treats people, and the best way to earn a persons' respect is for there to be real honesty and no dirty rotten tricks.
You may be interested in reading this article, that tries to clarify Jesus' opinion on divorce: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/october/20.26.html
Is there? Is there a time when you can just bang some broad in a bar at it will be 'the right thing to do'? Its called having standards, and though we occassionally fall short of them - that does not make us righteous to pretend that we have not ACTUALLY fallen short of them. And yes, sex should be regulated - unless you think the government has no business preventing adults from sexual relationships with minors? Animals? In public? Sexual Assault? No issues or relationship with the legal system and divorce? Sure, there is context, but attempting to say that promiscuity is 'correct' ... under certain circumstances is silly and wrong. The fact that lots of people do it - doesn't make it right. It means nothing more than you allowing yourself to be controlled by your desires. And lets face it kiddo, how many people have you seen that slept with some hot chic or dude - and wound up both pregnant and unhappy when they realized that the other person was an attractive lout? Perhaps we should not be quite so quick to excuse dipping the proverbial wick - it has consequences - and we sure as hell shouldn't pretend they aren't or won't happen, because they do - all the time.
I am aware that marriage is a covenant between man and woman, and should be taken seriously as such. Breaking one covenant with God is ... not good.
Humorous fellow. Where does Jesus talk about promiscuity fancy pants. Lets see who knows the Bible and who doesnt.
One is not supposed to swear oaths in Gods name, hence why Jewish weddings do not swear and oath to God in the wedding cerimony. Not to worry .. most folks practicing christian religious dogma do not understand the Bible very well.
Of course marriage (and relationships as such) should be taken seriously. And I'm afraid these days many people enter and leave it too lightly. I believe God wants us to live in stable, loving and caring partnerships. A divorce is a terrible thing to happen to a couple. I don't know of any case where it didn't cause pain and distress for everybody involved. And I certainly pray to God that He'll help my husband and me to never ever even ponder it. But as we all know: (*)(*)(*)(*) does happen. Sometimes a marriage can become toxic and beyond saving however hard people try to heal their relationship. I am sure God hates that to happen, but it does, because alas: we're merely human. IMHO this article, a summary of David Instone-Brewer's work, puts it quite adequately: Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/Love-Famil...6/Let-There-Be-Divorce.aspx?p=2#ixzz1mEXO1niT
