Sheriff Arpaio revives birther controversy at Trump rally

I didnt say it was. Vatel is where they got the notion of NBC. Its the law of nations.

Once more stautes cant make you an NBC. If they make you a citizen that means you can not be an NBC only a citizen. If it takes a law to make you a citizen it disqualifies you from being an NBC

One last time US law is positive law. If it takes that to make you a citizen your not an NBC

 

[§92F-21] Individual’s access to own personal record. Each agency that maintains any accessible personal record shall make that record available to the individual to whom it pertains, in a reasonably prompt manner and in a reasonably intelligible form.

Hawaii will present birth information to any individual who requests it in the form of a computer generated birth certificate- which complies with State law.

You disagree? Well your argument is with the Department of Health of Hawaii- feel free to find someone to file a lawsuit so you can prove them wrong.

Meanwhile- if you ask for a copy of your birth certificate- without special permission- you get a computer generated copy.

Like President Obama got in 2008.

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As pointed out in Wong v. Kim, the United States followed English common law when it came to Natural born citizenship.

Had nothing to do with Vattel.

 

thepostemail?

LOL.

 

Prove this wrong

Further

http://www.federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered/

 

The intelligible form means OF THAT FORM NOT ANOTHER FORM, meaning a clear readable copy. It does not authorize a subsitute

The law is quite clear and they had the long form in their possession as they obviously release an intelligible copy very quickly AS THE LAW REQUIRES. All he had to do was send the request.

Why the complied with the law when Obama made the request. You don't like it YOU file a lawsuit.

And if you ask for a long form if it exist then they SHALL provide it to you, they have wiggle room they SHALL release it to you upon your request.

What don't you understand

"Each agency that maintains any accessible personal record shall make that record available to the individual to whom it pertains". The older form and the newer form are two totally distinct records.

 

Remember you are posting nothing more than a blog with an opinion.

First of all- like all Birther's citing Minor- Birthers always carefully edit what Minor said- note Minor refers to common law- not Vattel-

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

Far from Minor saying that only the children born in the United States to citizen parents are "Natural Born Citizens" Minor specifically notes that children born in the United States may be natural born citizens regardless of parentage- but that Minor does not address that.

The decision in Wong Kim Ark did not specify that Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen- but- and again contrary to your claims- Wong Kim Ark again points out that the Constitution follow English common law- not Vattel- and that Wong Kim Ark was born a citizen of the United States?

What kind of citizen? Well clearly not a naturalized citizen- he was born a citizen and was never naturalized- the Federal government agreed he was never naturalized.

So has the Supreme Court ever said that a child born in the United States to non-citizen parents is a natural born citizen?

No- but the Supreme Court has said that any child born in the United States who is not the child of a diplomat is born a U.S. citizen- and the Constitution provides for only two forms of citizenship- Natural born and naturalized. Wong Kim Ark, Obama and Cruz all were never naturalized.

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Take it up with Hawaii.

No one cares but you- but feel free to take it up with Hawaii that they are intepreting their own laws wrong.

No one is stopping you.

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Arguing that Wong Kim Ark was wrongly decided is just some blogs opinion.

And has no relevance- since Wong Kim Ark is the precedent being relied upon by the courts.

Such as Ankeny v. Daniels.

There is no court decision which has agreed with your blog

 

ROFL YOU take it up with Hawaii YOU are the one saying they didn't interpret their laws correctly not us. They issued him a copy of his original birth document AS THE LAW REQUIRED, after HE REQUESTED A COPY. He could have made that request from day one but he chose to milk it for political fodder. His own adviser even admitted it. That was not good for the country, he should have done so from the getgo.

 

The two of you have once again reduced this argument into a ridiculous exercise in nay-saying.

I don't care what any of the Hawaiian officials have to say in their highly parsed legalese language which
don't certify the authenticity of the certificates posted on the internet. You keep referring to them as experts
which they are not. They are low level bureaucrats only. There is no statement by any of them that the
certificates they gave to Obama, if that is his name, are the ones that are on the internet. That is the bottom
line.

 

you were thoroughly proven wrong. what else would you expect?

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of course not, because you are a birther. you are impervious to fact.

they are the highest qualified experts in Hawaiian vital records.

of course they are.

except of course for the statements which did exactly that. and why are you unsure of the presidents name?

 

For the umpteenth time, I believe that Obama, or Barry Soetoro, or whatever the heck his name is, is and American citizen, therefore, I am not a "birther".

Which one of those experts is a Certified Document Examiner?

 

I long ago refuted this nonsense. I showed you the state of Hawaii stating unequivocally that they do not issue long form BC's. They made an official statement granting an EXCEPTION to the president of the United States.

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of course you are a birther. and I don't understand why you would be confused as to the presidents name? he has never been named Barry Soetoro.

both directors of the department of health are the highest qualified experts regarding Hawaiian vital records.

 

It is unfortunate for the Angry White Guys still hellbent on discrediting the popular choice of the American electorate for the presidency in 2008 and 2012 that there were no conservative constitutional scholars capable of contriving a viable legal case to further their fantasy.

All that anger, and not a single competent attorney among them. Not a one.

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"Hummahummahumma, Hawarya's a STATE?"​

At this stage, you might think that appearing so absurd isn't worth the futile fixation on proving the American people, all branches of their government (all elected Republicans included,) and every conservative lawyer in the land so incompetent and/or derelict in their duties for so long.

They're not just alienated from America; they're alienated from reality.

 

Your baseless and fallacious opinion refuted nothing, the law is quite clear and it was not a "special exception".

PART III. DISCLOSURE OF PERSONAL RECORDS

Note

Part heading amended by L 1989, c 192, §5.

[§92F-21] Individual’s access to own personal record.

Each agency that maintains any accessible personal record shall make that record available to the individual to whom it pertains, in a reasonably prompt manner and in a reasonably intelligible form. Where necessary the agency shall provide a translation into common terms of any machine readable code or any code or abbreviation employed for internal agency use. [L 1988, c 262, pt of §1]

The law requires they release to a person ANY form they have on file which personally concerns them, not a substitute not a different form, if person request THAT form then that form SHALL be released to the person He requested the copy of his long form which they had and they immediately sent it to him.

 

Again resorting to attack the messenger. It matters not where the facts come from as long as they are facts

Notice what you back has doubts.

 

Yeah but compare that to the Angry White Guys hellbent on showing Bush was AWOL so hellbent they paid millions for Robert Redford and Gwenth Paltro to star in a major motion picture it pales in comparison.

 

Like I said- take it up with the State of Hawaii.

I don't care what your interpretation of the statutes are- or that you disagree with the State of Hawaii.

But the Department of Health with the State of Hawaii clearly disagrees with you.

But continue to rage against the machine.......LOL

http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

Meanwhile- that is the link to the Department of Health- and you can see the 2001 Policy announcement that Hawaii will only issue computer generated BC's.

Feel free to argue with Hawaii about whether that memo is legal or not.

 

Same here I keep saying he is a citizen yet I get the same treatment. Again its just a method to try to stifle debate by calling people names.

 

Facts are not something commonly found at the P&E

 

See? More nay-saying.

 

Who is that guy Barry Soetoro?

The one that piece of paper says was born in Honolulu?

 

LOL- don't want to be called a Birther- don't act like a Birther.

If that hurts your feelings too much.....

 

Birther decision Tree:
Do you believe Barack Obama is eligible to be President of the United States (yes/no)
If yes- Congratulations- you may not be a 'true Birther'- now- do you believe and promote crazy Birther theories about President Obama' birth certificate not being legitimate (yes/no)- if yes- Congratulations you are still a Birther.

If you answer no- and yes- you may not be a Birther.

If you answer yes and no to each question- you may be Donald Trump.

 

AWOLer decision tree.

Do you believe Bush was AWOL?
Did you go see the multimillion dollar movie?

If so you may be an AWOLer!

Bush Lied People Died decision tree

Did you watch/listen to all the hearings?
Do you still think Bush lied?

If you answered hes then you may be a "Bush Lied People Dieder"

 

Your snide attacks on people vs valid arguments that buttress your views betrays you lack of substance and weakness of your position.

I'm immune to the typical ad hom liberal attack.

It's a tactic I don't see employed by conservatives against liberals.

 

How is debating the meaning of NBC make one a birther? Its a made up term to demean the opposition like calling tea Party members **********s. It was started to attack those who said Obama was not born here. I still want to know why he let all this keep up when all he had to say according to you is my mom is a US citizen so Im qualified to run? I still havent heard an answer as to why Arthur told all those lies if he had nothing to hide.