Shooting in Holland

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/islami...0-deaths-worldwide-in-2017-a-new-report-says/

 

These right wing terrorists are sneaky bastards being connected to ISIS

 

Who would have thought.

The Empire (of peace) strikes back.

 

Shooting female relatives, it seems.

Not the sharpest tool in the bomb makers bag, then.

 

The hate is against one man who never should have been made president.

 

Yes, right from the beginning I was reading about a woman and 'bang bang bang' and then people trying to get to her to help her and more bang bang bang and they stopped trying to help her or as the Guardian puts it

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/18/utrecht-shooting-tram-dutch-netherlands

There does though still seem to be very little information.

 

I thought holland has very strict gun laws just like new zealand

 

But he is president

A fact that drives liberals berzerk

 

He sounds a nice guy

https://nltimes.nl/2019/03/18/3-dea...ack-mayor-shooting-followed-carjacking-police

 

The disguise is perfect

If we didnt know he was a white supremacist you'd swear he was a muslim

 

The photo of the suspect was taken by a surveillance camera in a tram. Gökmen Tanis has been detained for several years, according to some media reports, allegedly fighting for ISIL (predecessor of IS) in Chechnya. According to media reports, in recent years several times in court, including rape, insult and theft. In addition, he is said to have shot in 2013 in a residential building with a gun (was then considered by the prosecutor's office as an attempted manslaughter).
According to a spokesman, the police do not exclude a family drama in addition to a terrorist motive, which could be a relationship crime with rampage in result.

For an Islamic act of terror quite a lot ... sometimes speaks of the alleged or actual participation in Chechnya ... because he fits fully into the raster image for such a culprit. In itself criminal, western influenced, criminal convictions or already in prison for offenses and then the person finds suddenly to his faith and that directly totally radically and terroristically.
Regarding deed from a family background, etc., I can not say anything, but even that has been in the past ...

Only ... seriously I have to ask here, why the guy at this prehistory is still free and not in prison .... or not deported to Turkey!

 

Great source!

Wow, CBS actually reporting the news, whodathunk?

 

No, the hate is against the president and everyone who voted for him. Look at the insane reactions to a freaking baseball hat.

 

Yes, it drives liberals and the left and most other Americans berserk because he was obviously so unfit for the job from the beginning. That is why a horrible choice like Hillary got 3 million more votes than he got. And he has proven himself to be unfit for the job daily since then.

 

Sounds like Utrecht is a sanctuary city.

 

Examine why that it. It is because he is so obviously horribly unfit for the job, so evil, so racist, so damaging to international relations, so bad in every way, that it is unfathomable why anyone but the most insane few would ever like him and approve of him. That the MAGA hat is hated not because it represents the supporters, but because it represents his insane policies and contradictions. So it's STILL about the one person. But at the same time it isn't very surprising that his supporters wouldn't be able to see that.

 

That is not a definition for terrorism, but this attack qualifies as such anyway since it had a political motivation.

 

45% of the population supports the president. That's not an "insane few". Therefore, anyone who thinks Trump and Trump supporters are insane is by definition delusional.

 

Hillary got 3 million votes from illegal voters in a few states

And no I cant prove than anymore than you can prove hillery was the better choice in 2016

 

Sorry that we don't conform to your idealogies.

I guess that you'll just have to continue with the smears and assaults.

 

This latest incident in Netherlands may not be a true terrorist incident and could just be a family dispute but until Islam becomes truly tolerant and respectful of all religions including atheism, major conflict is unavoidable. The situation thanks to Saudi Arabia improving a little bit is getting marginally better if one takes long range point of view but it may take hundreds of years for Islam to truly weed out most of its radical elements. Christianity had its radical elements in the past but they were largely weeded out and discredited. Someone that tries to reform Islam too hard may be killed.

The United States needs to get much wiser in trying to isolate itself from Islam while at the same time encouraging reform. The goal should be to lower the bloodshed on both sides and that can best be accomplished via isolation and avoiding/ending wars like the war in Afghanistan.

Islam was spread by the sword and (until it reforms) will often continue to spread by violence and the killing and subjugation of non Muslims wherever a critical mass of Muslims forms. The decentralized nature of Sunni Islam makes it a little harder to reform in areas without strong state control. More Muslims should never be allowed in secular western democracies that are based upon individual liberty as immigrants until Islam undergoes a radical change in their home countries in the Middle East and elsewhere. Until then the west is playing with fire and there will be terror (mostly from Muslims but occassionally non Muslims will fight back and retaliate) and needless wars/conflict.

And to be fair Saudi Arabia is trying at least to reform Islam on the margin but the United States and UK are often sitting idly by when imams preach hate. Turkey appears to be going backwards.

Most Muslims believe in a peaceful version of Islam but tens of millions believe in a much more aggressive version of Islam that is incompatible with western values or values even outside the west. Liberals in America would never have advocated for Muslims in America to come to America if they were white Christians who made ultra conservative Christians seem like the most liberal people you have ever met in you life. Why make an exception for adherents to a different religion unless they were willing to truly renounce and permanently leave Islam?

This is just terrible policy from the decision makers in D.C. The spread of Islam needs to be discouraged in the United States and Europe and the only way to really do that effectively is at the borders. Hard to deport actual citizens but no more Muslim immigrants should be allowed as a general policy until evangelicals, Hindus and Jews can try to win converts openly in places like Saudi Arabia. Continue to encourage reform in the Muslim world. It may take hundreds of years but the world needs to start somewhere.

Lastly, the west is hardly blameless in this mess. Need to end the war in Afghanistan. The Taliban has been punished more than enough for hosting Al Qaeda. It wasn't a smart decision to go to war there and try to reform the country given it is a tribal society. Unless one is truly willing to be super draconian, can't reform a country like that by force.

 

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Your confusing New Zealand with Australia.

 

Then the question becomes were the shooters legally carrying firarms?

I dont see how the australian could have been

 

Yes, the Australian bought 4 guns and a lot of ammo legally within the last few months in a Christchurch gun store

As for the attack in Holland, it does appear that he targeted his sister-in-law and then shot wildly as others came to try and help her according to some reports.

Why do countries allow people to return after they have killed in other countries and I include mercenaries. He killed in Chechnya/Russia civil war