Should a rapist be punished more if he takes her virginity?

Unless the 24 year old is mentally limited/ different then yes because physiologically and psychological most brains have reached maturity by then. Are you familiar with the theories of Piaget?

 

Mark this day on the calendar, we agree!

By removing them from society, it should be with the general population. No special treatment, or protections.

 

I don't think Kaz understands the 'assault" part of rape.
It is a vile attack on one's body, mind, sense of worth, confidence to arrange ones own life, having à strangers hands on your body, the small, the strength, and more. The terror of being killed, the shame self loathing, récrimination.
To actually start grading the sévérité of rape based on someone's previous sexual activity by choice is outrageous.
Truly outrageous. It demonstrates à complete lack of understanding about what rape means and IMO makes any posts about rape or relationships by Kaz as "forgettable".

 

I agree 100 percent.

@kazenatsu

Do you think a woman who has been raped wants to answer questions about any of their past sexual behaviour? For a sentence to depend on virginity, past sexual behaviour would have to be introduced. How do you think that would add to their trauma? Having their past sexual history discussed in front of their family, friends and the general public. And on top of that, knowing because they maybe weren’t a virgin when raped, the rapist is going to get a lesser sentence. Outrageous.

 

I guess it makes sense. Like the Orange Stain, no self-respecting woman would get near these hideous creatures.



Errol had raised Jana since she was four, after marrying her mum Heide in 1992.

By his own account, news of Errol's new children with Jana didn't go down well with his other kids, who found it "a bit creepy" as Jana was like a sister to them, and the babies were now their half-siblings.

The unlikely pair reportedly had their first baby in 2018, a boy named Elliot Rush, and Errol told The Sun this second child was 'unplanned' - but he can't see any reason not to have more kids as he believes "the only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce".

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/elon-musks-estranged-dad-baby-2756969






In January 1992, Farrow found nude photographs of Previn in Allen's home.

Allen, then 56, told Farrow that he had taken the photos the day before, approximately two weeks after he and Previn had first had sex.[17]

Farrow contends that she broke off her relationship with Allen in 1992 following her discovery of the affair;[18][8] Previn and Allen dispute that, claiming that Allen and Farrow were no longer dating when Farrow discovered the photos.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon-Yi_Previn

 

@kazenatsu's posting history shows this attitude is consistent. I stopped engaging when he said that the men that were raped as little boys "deserved it since they were paid".

The reason our society is often retraumatizing for victims of abuse and assault is because of <whatever you call them> like this.

 

Perhaps, but they shouldn't get less punishment because she is a prostitute. The issues there are believability, contract, and intent.

 

What in hell is 'normal rape'???????????????

 

He seems to be cool with all rape according to his posting history.

I think he just gets some kind of thrill in starting these topics. It's never about discussion or debate. It's to share his *mindset* about those he deems to be inferior.

 

I'm willing to use the label of normal rape in comparison to statutory rape, where the later can be between people who actually can consent but the law was written otherwise. For example the 18 yo with the 17 yo, at least before Romeo and Juliet laws were introduced.

 

While I agree on what the law tries to call 'statutory rape' using an arbitrary line (of consent) is usually consensual. Except for extreme situations, I don't really consider it rape.

No rape is normal. That was an extremely poor choice of words on his behalf.

 

My bad. Chill, it's a discussion, isn't it? Not on who wants to own half the world.
If that is the case, wouldn't chemical castration work for a female? Removes the desire to act on urges that no longer exist. Wouldn't that be interesting?

 

Or unattainable...

 

I would hazard a guess that ALL women are unattainable to anyone that has similar views and values.

 

Do you believe that a 24 year old, who has been saving her virginity for her future husband and hasn't even kissed a guy has greater sexual maturity than a 15 year old who has been sleeping around with so many guys she has lost count?
You have to concede that it's really really awful--and especially traumatic--for a woman's first sexual experience with another person to be one of rape.

And just think what that will do to her future husband!

 

Sweden and Netherlands are really rather backward when it comes to their crime and punishment thing. I think also in Sweden depends on the ethnic background of the person too so pretend it doesn't happen if it's the right person.

 

No it wasn't a poor choice of words. What I meant is that it was an actual rape, not one of those situations modern-day feminists are yammering away claiming is rape.
"Normal rape" = situation no one disagrees with that it is a rape, it is not even a borderline situation
Woman getting assaulted by a strange man in a dark alley would be one classic example.

See, rather than what you thought, the phrase was not trying to lump all rapes together, but trying to distinguish between different types and remove ambiguity.

I'm not going to tiptoe around on eggshells.

 

Yeah the war on drugs is rather stupid endeavor and turned quite a few people in new career criminals. I think that a lot of this is kept around because of the privatized prison industry. If we got rid of criminal sentences for drug use I think the private prison industry would lose quite a bit of money.

 

I want to clarify that I wasn't talking about those type of situations in this thread.

In fact, if the female consents (even if the law does not consider her old enough to fully give consent), then I do not think the virginity law should apply.
(although I think the judge could still take that into account as a small factor in the sentence)

We are talking about someone stealing her virginity, not the girl choosing to give it up.

I thought that should have been obvious. Sorry it caused confusion.

 

Um, no, you are just being off topic. Once again.

 

Sorry, I can't really see what your comments have to do with this topic.

Do your comments have something to do with this topic? Please explain.

I don't know why several of you seem to assume I am implying things that I am not.

Could you at least refer to what part of my comments you are responding to?

 

That you don't understand is ample proof of your lack of comprehension about the subject.

 

I very much disagree.

It might not matter TO YOU. (Didn't you reveal to us in another thread that you are a swinger and are accustomed to being in polyamorous relationships?)

Rape violates the woman in different ways. One of those ways can be to steal her virginity from her.

It can take away her ability to ever have healthy enjoyable sex. At least if she has already had sex before the rape, she has established a pattern of normal sex in her psyche. She'll be less likely to always associate sex with the traumatic sexual experience that violated her consent. There are many more reasons, and several of them have already been discussed in this thread.

Virginity can be a very important thing to a Conservative religious woman. Even after she is married, she (and her husband) may very much want to maintain not having any sexual encounters outside that marriage. This involves life status, up to that point. Her husband is the only man she has ever had sex with.

 

I dunno.
What?
Will he become an érectile disfunctioning bag of nerves for the rest of his life,?
Take to consorting with prostitutes because his wife is not a virgin?
(gosh that would be ironic!)
Cast her out as a soiled pièce of goods?
Return her to her father along with her dowry?
What would it do to her husband?
WHEN WHAT SHE NEEDS IS CARE CONCERN, AND UNDERSTANDING
Did I forget that Christian value, forgiveness too?
Or is all you care about is his ego? His médiéval rights?
There is definitely something odd about your whole understanding of your favourite subject.

 

We all know rape is a tragedy
What are you saying here that is anything new?