Should circumcision be banned?

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Should circumcision be banned?

  1. Yes, its disgusting, immoral, and pure mutulation.

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    17.4%
  2. No, but we should require anesthesia

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    15.9%
  3. No, but it should not be done to children

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  4. No, its religious freedom

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  5. Yes, but allow it for medical reasons.

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    8.7%
  6. No, but Yes.

    7 vote(s)
    10.1%
  1. Goomba

    Goomba Well-Known Member

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    Yawn, still waiting for evidence.
     
  2. ChrisL

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    I already provided you with some. You can go google if you need more education, which apparently you do. Islam is a pock on the face of humanity.
     
  3. Goomba

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    All you posted was some article that belongs to an orginization founded by some anti-Islamic/Arab individual. If you can't find ONE Islamic verse that supports FGM, then be a man and retract your claim.
     
  4. Margot2

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    Read the damned Koran.. FGM is not Islamic.. Its African, animist and matrillenial.......Have you completed the 8th grade?
     
  5. ChrisL

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    Oh, I've also read some disgusting passages from the Qu'ran too. What a disgusting book it is, just like most cults. FGM fits right in with their beliefs too. Lol.
     
  6. Goomba

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    You know who you're dealing with when every sentence ends with a "Lol."

    He's an amateur, Margot. We should be easy on him.
     
  7. ChrisL

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    Nope, I'm an expert. :) I know a lot about Islam and how horrible it is.
     
  8. Goomba

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    And I'm the king of Pluto.
     
  9. ChrisL

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    Here is some more from the link. Those poor girls and women. :( At least some of us care more about them than about the cult of Islam.

    Latest findings from northern Iraq suggest that FGM is practiced widely in regions outside Africa. Iraqi Kurdistan is an instructive case. Traditionally, Kurdish society is agrarian. A significant part of the population lives outside cities. Women face a double-burden: they are sometimes cut off from even the most basic public services and are subject to a complex of patriarchal rules. As a result, living conditions for women are poor. Many of the freedoms and rights introduced by political leaders in Iraqi Kurdistan after the establishment of the safe-haven in 1991 are, for many women, more theoretical than actual.

    In early 2003, WADI, a German-Austrian NGO focusing on women's issues,[18] started to work with mobile teams to take medical aid and social support to women in peripheral Kurdish areas such as in the Garmian region of Iraqi Kurdistan. These all-female teams consisting of a physician, a nurse, and a social worker built trust and opened doors in local communities otherwise sealed against outsiders. After more than a year of working in the area, women began to speak about FGM. Kurds in the area practice Sunna circumcision. Midwives often perform the operation with unsterilized instruments or even broken glass and without anesthesia on girls four to twelve years old. The extent of mutilation depends on the experience of the midwife and the luck of the girl. The wound is then treated with ash or mud with the girls then forced to sit in a bucket of iced water. Many Kurdish girls die, and others suffer chronic pain, infection, and infertility. Many say they suffer symptoms consistent with posttraumatic stress disorder syndrome.[19]
     
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    Still waiting for that verse....
     
  11. ChrisL

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    And here is some more from the link I posted above. Sad, right? Who would support those monsters? Only disgusting men who hate women, IMO.

    Subsequent research found that 907 out of 1,544 women questioned had undergone genital circumcision, a cutting rate of nearly 60 percent.[20] Follow-up research in the Irbil and Kirkuk governorates suggests rates of FGM consistent with those in Garmian. Nearly every woman questioned declared FGM to be a "normal" practice. Most women referred to the practice as both a tradition and a religious obligation. When asked why they subject their daughters to the operation, many women respond "it has always been like that." Because the clitoris is considered to be "dirty" (haram, the connotation is forbidden by religion), women fear that they cannot find husbands for their daughters if they have not been mutilated; many believe men prefer sex with a mutilated wife. Others stress the religious necessity of FGM even though Islamic law is unclear with regard to FGM. While Western scholars may dismiss the religious roots of the practice, what counts is that many Islamic clerics in northern Iraq advise women to practice FGM. Should a woman consider abandoning the practice, she must be aware that she could appear as disreputable in the public eye.[21] Men usually avoid offering a clear statement about whether FGM is a good practice; rather, they refer to FGM as a female practice in which men should not interfere. None of the men said he had ever discussed the question with his wife.[22]
     
  12. Goomba

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    So much text but not a single Islamic verse that condones FGM. Amateur indeed.
     
  13. ChrisL

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    http://www.meforum.org/1629/is-female-genital-mutilation-an-islamic-problem

    This all makes perfect sense in how it fits in with Islam and their hatred and disrespect of women. They see women as "property" and not as people. That is just one reason why I hate them so. I think Islam should be banned because it is abusive to women.

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    It definitely fits in with the Islamic views of women. Sorry if the truth hurts. Islam is a dirty rotten thing, IMO.

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    Oh, and BTW, I never said FGM was mentioned in the Qu'ran. I said it is a disgusting Muslim practice, which it is. :)

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    Of course, any civilized person would be against these things, and it is quite obvious that these things are practiced in Islam. It fits right in with the other things they like to do to women and girls. IMO, anyone who would support such things, is filthy rotten and evil.
     
  14. Goomba

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    Nope, it's mostly an African practice, one that is engaged by Muslims and Christians (one major example being Ethiopia).

    But I'm glad you agree that Islam does not support FGM. We are making progress.
     
  15. ChrisL

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    I think this really ties things up too! :) It explains that a lot of people would rather put political correctness ahead of the health and well being of women and girls.

    This is cited also from my link above, to be clear. :)

    Most studies speak of "justifications"[36] and "rationalizations"[37] for FGM but do not speak of causes since this could implicate Islamic rules relating to women and sexual morality. Islam is regarded as a wrong "justification," often with a citation that the Qur'an does not require FGM. That many women in northern Iraq—and presumably many women in Egypt—believe that the practice is rooted in religion is a factor ignored by Western universities and international organizations.
     
  16. Goomba

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    Wow, so much anger. Anyway, you are wrong (no surprise here):

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation
     
  17. ChrisL

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    I'm not angry. Just stating facts. Islam is a terribly patriarchal belief system that abuses women and girls. Also, I don't really think your source is any more valid than mine. :)
     
  18. Goomba

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    Like I said above, what the average American thinks of Islam is inconsequential.

    As to our sources, mine describes the geographic regions where FGM is mostly practiced. Your "source" is some article written by some anti-Islamic writer who talks about FGM in communities that happen to follow Islam.

    You must be pretty dense to even compare the two sources.
     
  19. ChrisL

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    Well, for one thing, your source is Wiki. Lol.

    Look, you can remain in denial all you want, but you are NOT helping anyone. Just realize that.

    Here is another link for you.

    http://thefederalist.com/2014/07/30/genital-mutilation-the-real-war-on-women/

    Sheikh Tayeb Mustapha Cham, imam and founder of the Taiba Welfare Foundation agrees, but he admits that while he and others stand against the practice, it is “imams,” not Christian bishops or Jewish rabbis, who resist condemning FGM. “Before there were barriers when we talked, but now we can openly condemn [FGM]. Now it is only imams who are isolated from society who still support this practice.”

    Leaders from all three of the historical monotheistic religions have stated that FGM is not to be found in their texts and that they stand in opposition to it. However, there is the glaring reality that FGM is found mostly in Muslim countries, and the Christian and Jewish participants are not Western Christianity or Orthodox Judaism (and, given this fact, the sweeping statement by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services that FGM is found among Muslims, Jews, and Christians is equivocal and misleading).

    FGM is practiced not by Christians in general, but by Coptic Christians, and most of these are in Egypt—an area highly influenced by the Arab culture. And the Jewish sect that subjects girls to FGM is the Falashas or Beta Israel in Ethiopia. El-Damanhoury, who writes on the Jewish and Christian view on FGM, says this group practices an archaic form of Judaism. They do not speak or read Hebrew, and their holy text is written in Ge’ez, which is the clerical language of the Ethiopian and Eritrean orthodox church. They don’t know the other religious scriptures of Judaism, such as the Talmud and the Mishnah.
     
  20. Goomba

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    Um, if you knew anything about Wiki, the information found on the website is referenced.

    And what exactly are you trying to prove with your opinion piece? It corroborates my claim that FGM is practiced mainly in Africa, and by Christians. It just gives lame excuses when it comes to Christians and Jews practicing FGM. Go figure.
     
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    And while you are at it, ban all tattoos, and piercings.

    Circumcision probably had its origin as a way to help out cleanliness, and hygiene. The Jews had dietary laws that were probably wise as well, as we know pork isn't good for heart health. Many of the religious laws addressed health, especially when it comes to diet. Removing the foreskin was perhaps also a way to stave off future infections that comes from poor hygiene. Probably not that easy to wash your privates, in arid regions.

    Female circumcision may have come about in order to keep females from enjoying sex, so they wouldn't go and get impregnated by other men. I mean, if you remove the clit, at least they wouldn't be having clitoral orgasms, and most people seek out sexual partners so they can have an orgasm. If a man didn't have one, he wouldn't give a hoot about putting up with the bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from females. An old man once told me, that if it wasn't for what was between a woman's legs, it would be open season on the female of the species. Lot of truth in that observation.
     
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    Circumcision is not genital mutilation on the same level as females. It is a painless removal of your foreskin.
     
  23. ChrisL

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    Figures, an OLD man. Very telling and ignorant.
     
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    Coptic Christians who are heavily influenced by Arab (AKA - MUSLIM) society. Face it, Islam is NOT a good thing. Who do you think you're kidding? Perhaps yourself but certainly not me and certainly not anyone who can see and hear and think for themselves and who ignores the "PC mentality" that seems to be going around. God forbid, we hurt anyone's little feelings by acknowledging the truth. Well, I don't play that game. I'm going to be honest and truthful about what I see.

    No, my link clearly states it is "imams" who are the problem here. Can't read?
     
  25. Ronstar

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    painless?

    you had it done recently?
     

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