Other than knowing her husband and the testimony given by the nurses that testified during the hearing to see if Gabe's dog needed to be destroyed? We don't. That is why they are trying to get them released.
Google the case. In short Autumn was not supposed to be at her home. She went there anyway. Neighbor called cops cause she was assaulting her husband. Cop showed up with gun drawn. His dog was on the sidewalk with them. Cop ordered that Gabe put his dog up. Less than a second later he slipped and fell on the ice and fired two shots. Hit the dog and autumn. Claims were that the dog charged and bit him. Testimony from the nurses at the hearing to destroy the dog were that he suffered no dog bite. Testimony from the husband was that the dog was standing by him and his wife and never charged. Testimony from the neighbors were the same. They released like 11 seconds of body camera footage that showed nothing. They are blocking the release of the rest of the body camera as well as all of the wide angle dash cam footage that is said to have caught the entire ordeal.
Uninformed and over simplified comment on a very complex issue. Police in some countries, not many but some, like the UK recieve more training at the entry level than most US police do. Other than that the training and opportunities are very similar. However, that still over simplifies it because there are varying sizes and types of police departments accross the US. Some have more or less people, some with more or less opportunity for training, there are multiple online courses, individual trainging opportunities, and much more. Although the vast majority of cops are wonderful people and work hard at their job, it is not the amount of training that leads to a higher rate of police shootings. It is the type of training, and the lack of support for police in society that leads to less qualified cops being trained less effectively. A simplified example of the training difference is when a single individual with a gun is in an open space and acting erratically. In the US police sorround the individual, or cut of their avenues of movement because the idea is to contain the threat and protect the public. The person doesn’t want to comply but isn’t posing a direct threat but because he is surrounded or cornered when he tries to move away the police ultimately end up in the position of an armed suspect moving toward them and not obeying commands. Boom, now you have a shooting. The same scenario in some other countrie the police are taught not to surround or block off the suspect. They have other officers move citizens out of harms way while a small group of officers simply follows the person giving commands and talking to them until they eventually have to decide to become combative or give up. Add this to the turn out society has made against police and all the lies and disdain against police accross our nation and no wonder the most qualified and educated people don’t become cops.
Those who uphold the 2d Amendment should be speaking up about disarming cops. After all, they are strict constructionists and there were no police forces in US cities except for Philadelphia at the time the Constitution was created.
The most qualified people do not become cops because many departments will not hire applicants with higher than average intellegence. The official explination is that people with above average intellegence become bored with the mundane everyday police work and end up quitting after the department has dumped a bunch of money into their training. Cops created the rift between themselves and the citizenry. It is up to them to fix it.
Yeah. Those are the ones that get stabbed to death before the armed police can get there. Kinda like the "red shirt" away team guys that you know aren't coming back to the Enterprise.
All the cops should just quit. We should shut down the police forces and just let people figure it out themselves.
Horse****! There are VERY few departments with IQ restrictions for high scores and event those are only needed very seldomly. The average score on the Wonderlic test is 20 and these police stations require a 20-27 to be a cop, so still above average. Other stations have no requirement on the high end, just a minimum 20 and higher scores can be evaluated for other positions like detective. How did cops create the rift? I would agree that they have some of the culpability because there are a small number of crooked and disrespectful cops, but they are treated like garbage by many citizens, talked bad about all the time including in the media, lied about constsantly, consistently having there names and lives destroyed over false allegations, and they don’t get paid well.
I am not going to pretend that I've looked into every department in the nation. But of the ones I did, they did not want higher than average scores. Anyway. You don't have to be a straight up corrupt cop to be a bad one. An indifferent cop is just as bad. Every bad stop furthers the rift and seeing other cops stand by does too. Take yesterday for example. I left work a little earlier than normal. 4am. Got pulled over driving home. Cop couldn't give me a reason why I was pulled over other than possible dui. I wasn't speeding. Didn't cross the line. Wasn't driving too slow. Used all my signals. And he admitted that i had broken no traffic laws. He just thought that me driving at 4am was enough justification for a stop. **** like that happens all the time and furthers the rift. This idea that they can break the law with immunity and knowing none of their brothers in blue will call them on it is what started and. Continues to grow the rift.
You’ve made a nice point here that I don’t necessarily disagree with. It doesn’t change the way I feel about it because in my experience I think cops like that are the minority. And I think there is far more “bad” that targets them then the other way around. But good point +1.
I appreciate that. But as I see it. If there were more of what I consider to be good cops than bad or indifferent cops then the bad cops wouldn't last long enough to **** up. On the rare occasion that we do hear about an actual good cop trying to handle the bad ones the good ones are drummed off the force.
I would rather see cops operate like fire departments. See even now with all the patrolling they do cops stop less than one percent of crimes as they are happening. A majority of their time isn't spent looking for actual crimes being committed it is spent enforcing traffic laws. But of course along with this we would have to get the government from inhibiting people's ability to protect themselves. Hell. Look at response times in my town for example. There is an average response time of 15 minutes in this town. I can drive from one end of town to the other while obeying the traffic laws in under ten. But anyway. Your emotionally driven response says all anyone needs to know about your opinion on the subject.
The member 6Gunner should be questioned on the matter, as he is a firearms instructor for law enforcement. Of all the local precincts he has been tasked with training and educating, he reports abysmal firearm training standards employed by said precincts, with many officers having to take make up tests just to meet the minimum standard of passing. Their firearm training courses are remedial at best, designed to cater to those who have no firearms experience whatsoever. The state of New York is a prime example of such.
US Constitution reads in pertinent part: Ninth Amendment The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Tenth Amendment The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Thus, people have rights & powers. States have powers but no rights.
My experience regarding this opened my eyes to some unpleasant realities. Let's be honest here: our society's screwed up priorities have definitely contributed to this. Whenever a community wants something it has to pay for it, and when they have to pay for it they have to look through their budgets to find the money. Inevitably, funding for public safety - especially law enforcement - is one of the first things cut. Money for recruitment, equipment, salaries, and training evaporates. Bean counters, often political appointees with inconvenient political agendas, then cut what they see as unnecessary. Politically liberal appointees who find the very idea of guns and violence - even righteous violence committed to protect innocent life - distasteful, are going to gut training curriculums they disapprove of. Recruitment of officers becomes difficult when pay gets frozen and benefits are slashed. Officers find themselves unable to afford to live in the communities they're tasked with policing and leave for other agencies or even different professions; especially considering the controversy and politics surrounding law enforcement these days. Also, perhaps paradoxically, many who choose to pursue law enforcement as a calling do so out of a desire to help people, not to hurt them. The gun, to them, becomes just a somewhat distasteful badge of office and not a life-saving tool they want to commit what precious free time they have to mastering. They take the most basic training standards provided by the department - standards that have been chopped and edited by the bean counters into near-irrelevancy - and put just enough time and energy into passing those pathetically minimal standards without seriously considering they might ever be in a real-world situation where they might be called upon to use their weapons. Or, worse, they are actively discouraged from using their weapons by having policy restrictions placed on them so severe many officers die without ever trying to draw their weapons even when confronted with an obvious lethal threat. Then, despite that, they are programmed to consider themselves well-trained and prepared because they can pass a laughably easy qualification standard with a minimum score. Some even think of themselves as superior in skill and ability to any non-LEO despite the fact it's taken them two or even three tries to achieve that minimum score. Some departments mandate a particular weapons' platform for universal issue without really testing the suitability of that weapon as well! When I was in the Border Patrol they issued the Beretta 96D .40 caliber pistol. It's a large pistol; I'm a big man with fairly big hands, but the trigger reach was just barely short enough for me to run it efficiently. For smaller-statured agents, it was an unmanageable handful. Worse, the 96 Beretta is based on the 9mm chambered 92 series pistol issued by the military, and the pressures produced by the more powerful .40 round tended to batter the guns. We had a lot of frame failures; common enough that they actually trained us for "when, not if, your firearm fails...." (the agency has since transitioned to the HK P2000 in .40) The most egregious example of wrong-headed agency mindset was illustrated by an experience reported to me by one of the most respected firearms instructors in the country, who had been tasked with going to New York City to evaluate their training. He described going to the police range at Rodman's Neck, and waiting at where the officers coming in for training were supposed to unload and clear their weapons before going onto the range. He said he stopped counting at 10 the number of officers who didn't even have a round chambered in their guns and didn't know it until they racked the slides. One officer even found his gun Superglued shut; turns out he'd had a fight with his wife and she'd petulantly glued his gun.... 6 weeks before. For a month and a half he'd been walking around on duty with a nonfunctional sidearm and had no idea! When the instructor met with the Deputy Commissioner who had requested the evaluation, he began to outline what he felt needed to be done to bring their training up to proper standards. Partway through the Commissioner stopped him, and said money for that level of training just wasn't available, and went on to say that it was less expensive just to hire a new officer than to train existing ones, and either way the department always got tons of positive public relations publicity with the traditional funerals held when an officer was killed in the line of duty!! Sadly, this is what officers have to deal with, and it is what dictates the training standards they are subjected to. Yet, society has a perception that police officers are "well-trained", and "more competent to be armed" than the average gun-owning citizen. It's enough to send chills down your spine if you really think about it....
Monetary issues led partially to the revival of the 9mm, however this was not altogether bad. Many of the smaller/female officers can't handle the 40. The Tx DPS transition from the 357 Sig to the 9mm is a case in point.
My classes are not law enforcement training classes, but I have competed with many police officers. I can tell you that it has been my experience that most of these cops are not superior shooters, in fact at most they are average.
You mistake me, it's not emotional at all. Cops should just stand down for a few months if they don't disband and just let everyone experience life without them. It would provide a needed reality adjustment for many people.
Previously post by Me; Powers to act, for instance, in Official capacity, are conferred or invested by Government, as when someone is sworn in as a Police Officer or a Sheriff, Sheriff's Deputy or other appointed or ellected Government office.
That has not been my experience. I've seen cops get fired for getting a speeding ticket off duty and numerous other minor infractions.
