Should George Washington and Thomas Jefferson be removed from Mount Rushmore

Who are "they"
Seems like local people are doing this
People Who have the right to do this regardless of what you, or i, or the kkk think about this

 

Link please

 

For what it's worth...the Supreme Court can not create law. If their ruling was that it was illegal in 1869...then it was ALWAYS illegal.

 

Of course they can and often do.

 

LOL many on the left would actually be ok with that. Some of them think Obama was the greatest man on earth.

 

But you are worried about the KKK invading us and taking over Washington?

Nothing was handled concerning Bill Ayers. He was too politically connected!

Most of the death and suffering caused by the Civil War happened in the South, not the North!

 

My point was to point out the hypocrisy of the left today. It was not to excuse anyone's crimes.

 

I AM *NOT* YOUR RESEARCH SLAVE!

If you can't keep up with current events then you shouldn't be posting about them.

Try google with the words "remove Washington Monument"

I'll give you ONE link. You can go find the others yourself!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5lZV2i7rVk

 

So, if Ayers should have been executed, should Jefferson Davis have?

 

Nobody is interested in honoring people for being slave owners. That's the false premise that the left is pushing. Lee was much more than a slave owner.

This is a very serious problem. The end goal is control. The people who burn books are not interested in removing books, they are interested in controlling thinking. The freedoms that have been granted do not come to us sans responsibilities.

Agreed. By last count, two-thirds of the country want the Confederate monuments left alone. Unfortunately, the silent majority doesn't matter. The squeaky wheel gets the attention, and thus far, the left is clearly squeaking louder.

Robert E. Lee was an honorable man who fought for his state of Virginia. He fought honorably, he lost honorably, he surrendered honorably. If you can't see that, you need to do a bit more study into the man's life.

I'm inclined to agree. We have become an embarrassment, and continue to want to show ourselves undeserving of the gift which the founding fathers provided us.

Once again, these people were more than slave owners. Folks on the left don't want to acknowledge that.

Your first sentence was accurate. Everything else is drivel. The Confederates were not interested in overthrowing the United States, they were fighting to leave the United States. Comparing the Confederates to the Japanese (or any other foreign power) is misguided. If you want a comparable situation, look to Cochise, Crazy Horse, Geronimo, Chief Joseph, Chief Seattle, Tecumseh. These people fought against the United States. Do you advocate removing statues of them?

Thank you!

This is what I fear.

People forget this.

Excellent point.

As a Jew, Jesus' view of slavery was the Jewish view. A "slave" in Jewish society was completely different than a "slave" in American society. To understand this, answer a question: what happened to a Jewish slave during the year of Jubilee?

I hope we can avoid violent conflict, but with each passing day, the chance of that happening becomes smaller and smaller...

Stupid and ignorant, yes. But as Germany in the late '30s teaches us, stupid and ignorant is no less dangerous, and as such, needs to be pushed back against.

 

Longest post ever

 

Sorry. Too much needed to be said...

 

LOL you are the first liberal I have ever heard saying this. Society has been slowly improving over thousands of years and you can't expect people of earlier societies to have perfect values or have the values that we have today. What matters most is that they make progress for their times. For example Abe Lincoln believed blacks were inferior who should be separate from whites and should be sent to Africa. But guess what those views were pretty common for his time. What really mattered is that he improved society by banning slavery. The Confederates on the other hand wanted to divide our nation, fought a war against the United States, and fought for slavery and against progress. There is a big difference. Also just because the Washington Monument is long and pointy doesn't mean it is a phallic symbol and simply because it offends someone unreasonable (I do want to know who exactly) doesn't mean it should be taken down.

 

Yes, they should be replaced by Obama and Hillary, so that the families of dead soldiers can be forever reminded of how their loved ones died fighting terrorists that were funded, trained, armed and abetted boy the former regime, which was busy killing dark skinned people all over the middle east.

 

Ahhhh, who did he honorably fight against? An American fighting a war against America might be considered a traitor. I'm sure young Kamakazi pilots in Japan were fighting honorably for their country. At least they weren't traitors as they were fighting a different country.

 

A state don't need to do that...just win a war.


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haha bullshit, our country is not limited to the north ffs

 

baloney, he made a statement that he supported christian teaching which will dissolve slavery. Many people willingly went into slavery as a means to get here. Freed blacks owned lots of slaves and were often more brutal than the whites and free black owning slaves was on the rise while white slave ownership was on the decline.

futhermore the CW only emancipated and applied to slaves from the captured states, not the rest.

Be nice to see some real history out here instead of all the koolaid

 

Sounds like you sit around the campfire while Uncle Ruckus and Uncle Reemus regale you with tales of the benevolent white slave masters.

 

What I'm getting at is that we've become a Society of Weenies that are always looking for things to offend us. We've become a Society where a rotten piece of CRAP criminal thats been shot and killed, because he committed horrible crime is honored by Protest marches, simply because he's Black and then you can have a nice little old Grandfather who lived a wonderful law abiding life and when he gets murdered by some minority thug, you don't see any protest marches or Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton coming on TV to complain about it. It makes me sick that Humans have decided that another Humans importance is simply based on the color of their skin and now everyone wants to start removing statues that offend them, Well! that's a slippery slope, because for every monument no matter who it is can be offensive to someone, so what the Hell, let's just take um all down.

 

I see snowflakes on both sides. It seems like every week I see a thread from some rightwinger crying about something some liberal said and blaming the entire left for it or crying that people are opposing Donald Trump.

Not quite. Someone may be a rotten piece of crap for being a drug addict or resisting arrest but the question is should they have been killed by the police when death could have been avoided and are blacks more likely to be shot without proper justification.

 

I believe Blacks are more likely to be shot, because they are viewed as more likely to be a violent offender who's willing to shoot a Police officer. If I was a Police officer, I'll admit that there is going to be quite a bit of offender profiling going on when I'm chasing and pulling over a suspect. If the suspect is a 70 year old Grandmother, I'm going to be a little more confidant that she's not going to pull a gun on me, but if the suspect looks like a Thug, talks like a Thug and YES! because he's Black and his race is more likely to respond to being arrested in a violent manner, I'm going to be much more incline to be on High alert and shoot in defense, because I don't want to be another Police murder statistic and want to go home to my family after my shift. Black people make up approximately 13% of the American Population, but are responsible for 52% of the Homicides in the United States between 1980 and 2008 and I believe those statistics have only gone up in the last 10 years, So! call me a Racist, but I'm on the side of the Cops, Don't do the Crime if you can't do the Time or wanna get shot.

 

Actually I'm worried that they may have done so already!

Oh. Ok.. Than that justifies erecting monuments to people who committed acts of treason, I guess.

 

Jefferson Davis was tried in a court of law. Bill Ayers was not.

 

What is the lesson to learn here?

Don't lose