Should Government Control or Outlaw Unions?

Great for you.

Most workers need group solidarity to get significant things done.

That is 'reality'.

 

Not were I work; if they have job openings and your qualified, then if you do well during the interview process your in. The union has no say in the matter. Our wages are very competitive in the industry.

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If your here to troll please leave.

 

Fine, but what you haven't told me is what right you have to think your opinion should matter in this.

I think a belief in god is silly, I don't think that this opinion should have an effect on you.

I want all private money banned from politics, and lobbying forced onto the public record, so you will find no objection here to the corrupting effect of bought influence!

 

You act like there is no competition. That is leverage. People get paid above minimum wage in right to work states all the time because they and their employer know their value. Unions get money through extortion, protection an political favors. They also block plants and keep jobs away from Americans.

 

Yes, god forbid we use math to determine what actions will cripple our economy, and which ones would hurt our economy!

FYI, destroying consumption in the US is destroying everything that was built before us!

 

If it works for you then God bless you and best of luck

 

You should publish their addresses so all the Americans will know to get their donuts elsewhere. Naturally, of course, the goonion donut shops will price themselves out of the market anyway, so it's a moot point.

Expect Mayor Bloomberg to stop trying to outlaw donuts, now.

Expect instead to see the City Board of Health to start a relentless assault in the right-to-work donut shops in the city as the goonions attempt to expand their protectionist racket in the field of powdered v glazed.

 

wow you are reallly not dealing with reality LOL. Do you honestly feel that way, or are you just trying to be difficult?

 

Agreed. My statement was more in regards to those who were already hired by the union. From there, folks just rather have the union to garner them their raises and promotions. They don't really care for anything else as they simply need work. Of course, we can look at the economics of it and discuss how it weeds out untrained/unskilled workers, but I'm merely getting at those who are already employed.

My apologizes on the mis-wording. Hopefully I explained myself a bit better.

 

So your position, is that these people who makes millions of dollars to run these large corporations, can't find a way to collude with the competition to do something like systematically get rid of pensions, or HC insurance all across this country?

BTW, I went on strike last time to keep jobs from being outsourced, and my union is not the only one that has done this.

Quite listening to the propaganda. Corporations would sell their mother into prostitution to make a dollar. The idea that the difference between a job being outsourced overseas is the 21.50$ the union guy makes compared to the non-union 20.00$ an hour guy, and not the 82 cents an hour the Chinese worker is making, is the most insane thing I have ever heard!

 

We need Unions in this society. It is one effective check/balance against laissez-faire capitalism.

 

Unions as an ideal are great. In practice they every incentive for mischief. Why does my opinion matter? Probably doesn't. Like most American I live at the mercy of these special interests.

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Competition is.

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I am against unfair trade practices and price fixing as well. I am not a randite.

 

The whole point of unions is allowing the workers to negotiate with their employees and refuse to work if the company mistreats them. Given a company the right to refuse to allow their workers to unionize is the same as banning unions completely.

We simply we federal right to work laws, and other limits on unions.

 

You cannot reason with the unreasonable.

 

Boss at a restaraunt franchise was hooking up with hostess. Fired me fOr catching him. I took it up with the owner, he let it stand. I only looked back to take a few of their best staff to one with me to a new restaraunt. We made better money, some others came over and the first place was poorer for their mistake in the end I think. They are out of business today at least.

 

Nations are built on savings and investment not consumption of frivolities that will be gone tomorrow.

 

Actually its to allow the workers to collectively bargain for the terms and conditions of employment. If they cannot come to an agreement, the employees have a right to withhold their services. The company on the other hand as a right to lock out the employees until a contract is agreed upon. Thats the leverage that the company has at contract time. If the employees strike, the company has a right to replace them permenantly and the replaced workers go onto to a preferential hiring list; if the employer locks out the employees, they cannot be permenantly replaced. So ther are checks and balances.

BTW under Federal law, you cannot be compelled to join a union, however in agency fee payer states, you may be required to pay a fee equal to what the dues and other traditional fees would be. Right-to-work states, you get a free ride (hence the term "freeloader").

 

I don't mean it that way. I have opinions on everything, I don't think my opinion should have a bearing on everything.

As far as the practice vs value of the idea, it seems you have more of an issue with corruption then unions, and it would behoove you to make that distinction.

I am only pro-union with fortune 500 companies, if that makes you feel any better.

Its the collusion and leverage problem that I think union's solve. And those seem to only be a problem in large business's.

 

Most people are told they need group solidarity. Different.

 

There are many things economies are built on. The one that is lacking from our economy today, and the world's is consumption, which has been destroyed by downward pressure on wages due to free trade.

Or did you miss when the greatest economic period of growth in the world's history, which happened to occur right after the rise of the middle class, and the labor movements?

 

They already have the freedom to refuse to work for a company if they feel like they are being mistreated. It's called quitting and finding another job. No one is required to work for a specific company any more than they are entitled to work for a specific company. You don't need to force a company to allow unions to have that freedom. You already have freedom of choice to seek the employment elsewhere.

 

Why, you got the territory all staked out?

The question was specific. Why should a company pay more than a job is worth, and the worth of a job is no greater than the least wage the employer can pay to hire someone to do it.

Again, do you pay ten dollars for your quarter pounders when you can get them for five? You may live in a fantasy land where companies can raise wages by 400% and stay profitable, but there aren't too many businesses in the real world that can do that.

What effect has your support of illegal immigration and the subsequent exploitation of the illegal aliens had on the suppression of the market value of low-skilled jobs?

Correct answer: The DemocRAT support of the exploitation of the defenseless illegal alien has served to depress wages in unskilled/low skilled jobs in the agricultural, hospitality, and construction industries throughout the United States, lower regional and state tax-bases as well as driving up socialist service program expenses.

 

I think all unions tend towards corruption, but I see the point. Makes more sense with larger companies that can handle the burden better but still....when those profit margins dry up and investors leave that is gene union and business will walk hand and hand to get the favors from their politician. Big labor and big business married together is a combo for horrible cronyism. If the gm bailout wasnt evidence of this..,or the Chrysler bailout... Or the airline bailout...etc..,

 

This is your problem, you look at a 10$ quarter pounder, and can't see past the 6 inches in front of your face where the burger is.

You don't ask, if the 10$ burger comes with a handy J from Jessica Alba, or if the 99 cent burger comes with a 2X4 to the forehead.

You are paid to be intentionally obtuse, or are as dumb as a pile of rocks!

 

Workers don't need a union to do that. If enough people around them feel the same way, they can all band together and voice their opinion as well. It will be the same as if the union did the same thing. The only difference is, you don't pay union dues.

The 'reality' is more people just need to stand up for their convictions. Folks have allowed themselves to succumb to the rule of the government and big corporations. I don't see the world as such. Everyone is a human being to me. I don't care for titles, as you're still a human being to me. They have bills and/or a family, just like I have bills and a family. I approach the situation knowing what is realistic and what's not.

I look at life like a game of chess. I'm always thinking multiple moves ahead and I predict what folks are going to do before they do it. Sometimes it work, sometimes it doesn't. In the work force, I'm simply playing the same game as they're playing. My friend's father was better than everyone else at Canasta and he would brag about it, rightfully so. So I continuously played Canasta online and with my friends & family members until I got pretty good at it (It's been several years since I played, would have to knock some dust off). Until when we played each other and I was the one feeding him the cards. He got so mad at the game because he could never pick up the deck because I was feeding him. Let's just say, we never played Canasta ever again because of it.

That's my outlook with life. My goal isn't to beat everyone, as it's merely impossible to do that, I merely will only play by the rules in which you lay them out for me. When it comes to the work force, their job is to get as much work out of me while paying me the least amount they're able to. My job is to work the best that I can while obtaining the most amount of money for my work. I merely know where my work stands versus others in my area. When I know I have the upper hand, best believe that I use it. That's the trick to the game they play. Maybe folks do get crushed, however, I don't go after something that I'm not fully prepared to go after either.