Should Joe and Hunter Biden be forced to testify before the Senate?

It was.
You just don't like it.

 

I don't like it because it's evasive and it can't be used except to violate the Biden's rights.

If you're pulled in for speeding does the Officer say you were going 70mph in a 30 mph zone or just "real fast in a powerful car"

 

Plus if it can be shown that the actions of Sleepy Joe and son were corrupt in nature (the Obama administration thought as much) then any spin on Trump's request for Ukraine to investigate is perfectly appropriate. There is no reason for a person seeking a Presidential nomination to be immune from scrutiny. In fact it would seem that the Democrats would welcome getting in front of this issue. If Biden is the nominee and this comes out in graphic detail during the Presidential campaign Biden is toast.

 

It doesn't matter -why- you don't like it.

 

I forget, you're a conservative, you're RIGHT and that's because you say you are.

 

You admitted you don't like my answer - so, yes, I'm right.

 

You are quite correct! Ol' Joe is already a big plateful of TOAST right now.... That's why we have seen the very sudden, unexpected rise of Mikey Bloomberg reaching toward the Democrat nomination.

The 'experts' in the DNC know that they can't win the presidential election with a bunch of 'woke' morons who don't even have much national recognition, or even basic knowledge of how an ECONOMY works. But Mikey Bloomberg has had his hands on the control levers of a very large government organization before (New York City), and he's a highly successful business person -- who's worth FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS, according to Forbes....

The Democrats will keep ol' Joe around until they've milked this unconstitutionally-constructed 'impeachment' bullshit for everything they can. And after that you'll see ol' Joe just fade away, slowly -- becoming dimmer and dimmer as we move toward the convention period.

.He may be the ONLY Democrat candidate who can do 4th-grade math in his head!

 

You are fully aware of the fact you cannot demonstrate that my answers are lies.
So... we're back to you just not liking them.

 

I agree. If you read my comments on this thread you'll see that I said all you just said. Legally speaking it's not a crime to be on the board of directors of Burisma. But I'm not blind I can understand that a boy with no experience has nothing to there rowing all that money. And when an AG wants to investigate them he gets fired right away by his father. From the look of it there should be sth and it needs to be investigated. That's what Trump and Rudy wanted to do. To investigate it.

 

As has been amply demonstrated by now, both of these 'Articles' were unconstitutionally-constructed from the very beginning! No further comment should be made -- a Senate vote should be taken to throw these embarrassing, laughable piles of crap out immediately (they never should have even been taken up by the Senate in the first place).

And, it goes without saying that we certainly do not need to allow radical Democrats to virtually make up NEW 'articles of impeachment' on the Senate floor to make up for the inadequacies and stupidities of their previous follies, which were rushed-through to give themselves a big "Christmas present" a month ago....

BUT -- and that's a big 'but' -- if the Senate (hovered-over by the most corrupted, dangerous figure in this whole thing -- JOHN ROBERTS) decides to allow "witnesses", then ALL persons who have had anything whatsoever to do with any and all aspects of this farce MUST be forced to testify, limited only by LAW and the Constitution!

Radical Democrats (aided, of course, by Roberts) should not be allowed to pick-and-choose who 'testifies'! NO! Everybody, including these House Democrat conspirators and their "whistleblower" MUST all stand up in public, on national television, and 'sing their song' under direct examination and cross-examination -- UNDER OATH!

Anything else would just pile more 'unconstitutionality' upon the mounting edifice of unconstitutionality that's already been stacked up in the Congress, like the huge pile of devious, partisan political sh!t that it is....

. "Khrushchev was wrong! The Americans are burying THEMSELVES!"

 

Actually I like that witnesses be subpoenaed. Because then it's a huge opportunity for republicans to subpoena Bidens and dig up their dirt. And that's what dems fear the most or maybe they're willing to sacrifice Biden to damage Trump in 2020 and open the way for their hidden weapon maybe Bloomberg.

 

a. Biden's son might know one thing that Burisma might find useful, and that would be how to LEGALLY keep Burisma within LEGAL compliance of new environmental regulations, and he would naturally have something of a LEGAL inside track to this knowledge because his father had actually written quite a bit of that kind of legislation and thus would have a good knowledge of at least one prominent legislator's actual intent in writing it. Sort of a legal scholar with inside info, as it were.

b. There's no evidence of I know of that the fired AG wanted to investigate Hunter Biden. What I gathered was that he was fired because the WOULDN'T investigate ANYONE. and that would presumably include Biden even though there was no real reason to investigate him anyway. If Joe really wanted to shield Hunter he should have just let the AG alone and firing him made no sense even if Joe Biden was trying to protect his son as the fired AG would then be likely to turn on Hunter out of revenge

c. If Trump really wanted to investigate Biden he's supposed to contact his Justice Dept, who would then follow standard protocols for investigating Americans in foreign countries which have long since been in place. Contacting the President of a very corrupt Republic who might very well be in on the corruption makes no sense at all.

d. UNLESS Trump and Rudy REALLY just wanted to smear Biden, which is fairly obvious from the testimony that all Trump and Giuliani wanted was an ANNOUNCEMENT that Biden was being investigated

Face it , Dirty Donnie and Unreal Rudy caught their private parts in the wringer this time. We can only guess how much of this has been going on but to the Trumpers ending whatever validity our elections still have is all just part of Making America Great Again so I guess it's all good in their eyes as Trump's Toadies, once called the Republican Senate, is going to let us know very shortly

 

Why are you so concerned that that the Whistleblower testify? Are you going along with President Gotti...er Trump, that he should be killed?

Whistleblower laws are written specifically to protect the rights of all concerned while also protecting the LIVES of the whistleblowers, why do you want to change that?

 

Unsupportable nonsense.

 

Agreed. Reciting a laundry list of claims in search of facts was not an answer.

 

*LOL*

Ironic.

 

Sounds like the entire 24 hours of the House impeach handlers opening statements.

 

Except that you didn't watch the proceedings and haven't read the transcripts.

You should do that prior to commenting.

Bonespurs was nailed dead to rights, and now the GOP is (a) making "arguments" about what's impeachable conduct by making it up, (b) outright asserting that Bonespurs could hand Alaska over to the Russians and that would not be impeachable, (c) misconstruing the record developed by the House, and (d) fabricating an argument that the House was magically required to depose witnesses that Bonespurs ordered not to cooperate with the House, because the Senate, in happy unicorn land, can't have anymore witnesses.

 

I'm sorry you don't the fact the house handlers went on for 24 hours with a laundry list of claims in search of facts - but a fact it remains.

So you agree - there's no reason for the senate to hear from additional witnesses, and they should vote for conviction/acquittal tomorrow.
Good to know.

 

If the WH and his sycophant henchman waive those ridiculous "no evidence! no obstruction by ordering witnesses not to cooperate! Waaahhh!!!!" arguments, then we don't need the witnesses and documentary evidence being withheld.

As long as those facially absurd arguments are being advanced by people who think that an impeachment trial should be treated like a board game, there should be additional witnesses and documentary evidence.

BTW, since when has it ever been a valid argument that the side withholding evidence gets to make circular and nonsensical arguments?

 

The fact the senate cannot waive the Presiden't right to claim executive privilege aside...

You said Trump was caught dead to rights.
Why do you need more witnesses or evidence?

The Democrats?
Everyone knows they should not have gone down this path- but here we are!

 

ALL of this 'impeachment' hooptie originated with the 'whistleblower', Aleks. Now it has grown into an out-of-control monster, like Godzilla in all those movies where he ravages Tokyo. Completely insane! If ANYBODY is going to 'testify' it absolutely MUST include that 'whistleblower'. He/she must testify and undergo direct examination, cross-examination -- UNDER OATH, in the light of day, in full view of everyone in the United States!

When your dentist fixes a cavity, he drills out ALL of the decay -- ALL of it, and then he fills in with material to make the tooth sound again.

Both of these Articles of Impeachment are wholly defective themselves, as written, on their FACE... that has been completely laid out this week in the Senate. There aren't even any (ANY) crimes enumerated in them!

The Senate should summarily throw this pile of cobbled-together, radical Democrat wet-dream crap out with the other garbage. But if through some horrible, stumble-down chain of events, this idiotic call for 'witnesses' prevails, then we must also 'drill all of that decay' out, too! It will take MONTHS, but, hey, after all, our Congress has NOTHING else to do....

 

Jeebus, you really DO want to kill this poor bastard.

Are you THAT enamored of Trump? Howsabout we send out the ICE to deport anyone without a MAGA hat

 

Ah, Aleks, you really aren't at your best in this thread, are you.... Usually you are a little more imaginative and clever, quite honestly.

As I've mentioned several times before, I don't even particularly like Donald Trump. He's done several things I highly disapprove of, and, one of them is costing me, personally, thousands of dollars, too

But, the 'whistleblower'...? It's been part of the legal process of every significant country throughout the history of civilization that an accused citizen must be able to confront his accuser. We CANNOT tolerate a covert, scumbag clot of radical Democrats and their co-conspirator, this 'whistleblower', to make these devastating charges and allegations, and let him do so in SECRECY!

That kind of thing was just fine in the Soviet Union and in Nazi Germany, which greatly encouraged "informants" -- but it is LETHAL to every principle of recognized legality and ethical behavior in the United States of America.

 

You need to review your knowledge of whistleblower legislation, It is carefully and thoroughly written so that ALL the involved people are protected. Unlike the case in tyrannies unless there is CONSIDERABLE corroborative evidence found subsequently (as happened here) it goes nowhere, but if such corroboration IS present the whistleblower MUST be protected from retribution, otherwise, there is a lot of real wrongdoing that will never get turned in AND a lot of ethical people will be hurt by unscrupulous and vindictive people like Trump.

At this point, Trump needs to deal with a literal MOUNTAIN of evidence against him. The Whistleblower's evidence is a very tiny fraction of it and largely insignificant to the whole. It STARTED the investigation but the evidence found by that investigation is the important thing at this point, NOT the Whistleblower's allegation.

The ONLY reason I can see for someone to demand they be known at this point is so that Trump, admitted by most historians to be among the most vindictive men who have ever been a President, can hurt him in some way. It seems unworthy of you to demand that someone suffer for doing what they saw as the right thing.