Should smoking be illegal?

driving a car, for starters

 

Health care costs would increase.
1) The taxes a smoker pays over a lifetime of smoking more than cover any extra healthcare costs related to smoking.
2) smokers die earlier.

 

People have every right to smoke if they choose to, but the following changes need to be made,,,

1; No adding of nicotine.....Period

2; No Genetically altering plants to contain more nicotine......period

3; Companies have to list EVERY chemical used in processing on the package.....period

 

Why should everyone pay more for others bad habits?

 

You'll need to provide proof of number one. Number 2 is more expensive, unless it's automatic hospice for smokers with lung cancer.

 

Simply force smokers with lung cancer and COPD into hospice. Less than 1000 are killed by rifles.

 

But this skims past the point. The unhealthiness of tobacco is caused by the tars and smoke. Nicotine is not unhealthful.

 

Because all humans have innate value. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson faught for many issues including the Bill of Rights -- even the worst criminals have rights.

 

Cars are a necessity. Motorcycles which have 30 times higher deadly accident rate per million km are questionable.

 

Nicotine is more addictive than heroin. The more nicotine in the product, the more addictive it is.

 

Why should you pay for someone else's self inflicted maladies? How much more in taxes are you personally willing to pay for smokers smoking related health care $50 a month, $100 a month, $500 a month? How much? If you don't state how much explicitly this conversation is over because that means you want others to pay and not yourself. How much?

 

Well, of course, no it is not addictive, let alone more so than heroin. Never has been and wasn't until the government and zealots thought they could get more money if they labeled it addictive. Still not addictive but it does have the official label.

 

A smoker who can't give it up denying that nicotine is addictive!

 

Yes. Smoking and drinking are much more draining to our healthcare system than people realize. Many doctors are saying that people would be better off taking a Valium for stress and anxiety.

 

driving is taxing on our health care

sugar is more taxing to or healthcare then either or those

car accidents and addictions to alcohol and cigarettes are taxing on our healthcare - you have to add the word addiction, people that smoke, drink or eat sugar moderately are not the issue

in fact Obesity is the #1 cause of the increasing health care costs, ironically many become obese when they quit smoking as they replace it with sugary foods, trading one addiction for another - addiction is the real problem, regardless what a person is addicted too, too much of even a good thing can be bad for you

 

Smoking and drinking contribute to the medical portion of GDP? Excellent.

 

Probably near 50 million have given up tobacco the past 50 years or so. That is the opposite of addictive.

 

If I earned money I would. Can you help me get a job. I have been unemployed for 15 years.

 

1) 5 bucks a pack tax x 365 = 1825 year over 40 years at 7%/year = 417,000 ... and that is assuming tax does not go up which of course it will.

Prove that number 2 is more expensive ? How is dying early more expensive ?

 

Given that 480,000 smokers die each year that would account for 24 of that 50 million of yours. Dying from smoking is not "giving up".

That there are FEWER smokers NOW is largely because of CAMPAIGNS explaining the TRUTH about the DANGER that smoking poses to your health. Not becoming a smoker is also NOT the same thing as "giving up".

Your fallacy does not stand up to scrutiny.

 

It's your assertion, you need to provide the proof. Where does the 7% per year come from. Just provide your source.

$30,000 X 6 = $180,000 per year. The average lung cancer patient hangs on for about 5 years....$180,000 X 5 = $900,000

That's nearly double the taxes you claim they paid in taxes for their smokes. I believe the Government (Medicare/Medicaid) should pay for the treatment but should be entitled to reclaim money from the smokers estate from any assets transferred to any family member in the last 15 years.

 

7% per year is a realistic rate of return on secure investments such as corporate bonds.

Not all smokers get lung cancer - yet all smokers pay tax. Fewer than 10% of life long smokers get lung cancer.

Next time you see a smoker - make sure you thank them for paying some of your healthcare costs.

 

Except nothing you say supports your contention that smoking (nicotine) is addictive -- just the opposite.
You are stretching way too far. One, I clearly did not include any deaths from anything in the number that have quit smoking. Two, you say 480,000 smokers die each year; do you have any idea how many coffee drinkers die each year?

 

You have already been provided with CREDIBLE FACTUAL SUBSTANTIATION regarding nicotine being an addictive substance.

That you are in abject denial is NOT my problem.

So why don't you EXPLAIN why ONLY nicotine is available in e-cigs?

Why not all the other carcinogens as well?

Why would anyone ONLY want to experience the HIGH of nicotine if it was NOT addictive?

 

Why would anyone ONLY want to experience the HIGH of caffeine if was NOT addictive? I'm quite sure you spend part of your day at Starbucks daily, it would fit the mantra.