Should teachers be allowed to say "Slavery was bad and it should not happen again"?

TT, we all have "residual" racist ideas even if we have worked on eliminating our racist ideas. No one is free of them. Some people say racist things not realizing the racism of what they say. Some say them knowing they are racist and try to conceal the fact by denial. And we would probably find both of those types of people among those who say there is no systemic racism. So you have to decide which type you are, but just the fact that racism persists as I just described makes the case for systemic racism, because where else does it come from?

Want an example of systemic racism? Banks are more reluctant to loan money to black people. Now, a racist would make up "reasons" for that, like "maybe more blacks have problems with their credit history" or "maybe the banks find blacks have greater trouble repaying loans" or something else that puts the problem on blacks instead of banks.

Then there is redlining.

Etc.

And holding up the examples of such things don't "prove" there's no systemic racism. In fact, an examination of them does the opposite: it proves systemic racism! So you have swallowed the racist ploy of racists, probably without realizing it.

AH! So covert, slick racism perpetrated with "justification" is ok? It's not "over the top" and so we should leave it be? Are you even making an effort to avoid repeating obviously racist views?

Ok, THAT is "over the top"! You're ignoring solid, intelligent, honorable, upstanding blacks who continue to be confronted by racist systemic disadvantages and are instead labeling the RACE as being people with "a shitty culture that perpetuates poverty and crime". I've dug out enough of my own racist views to recognize that for what it is. And it's time you did as well.

But but but ...... you started by saying there's no systemic racism, and now you object to an example of systemic racism!!! HELLOoooooooooo?

Pride may run thick but I know of plenty of very successful blacks who can and do talk at length about systemic racism and the difficulties blacks face because they are black. I also know first-hand that a black person can rather quickly recognize a person who lacks traits of conscious racism and those who do not lack such traits. Yet you think nobody can tell.

Ohhhhhhh-Kayyyyyyyyyyy, tell me what "the actual problem" is.

 

That tired old Democrat response. You've got nothing else. And Dems are still racists:
Tens of thousands of Democrats voted against Barack Obama's second term during the primaries, and VOTED FOR A WHITE FELON instead! Racism, straight up.
The Democrats in Virginia reelected a pol who wore either a KKK hood or was strutting around in blackface. Racism, straight up

That's not to mention all the times that Robert Byrd got reelected to the Senate (until he eventually died in office) even though he had been a member of the KKK. Racism, straight up.

The Democrat party is all in favor of whatever gives them power over others. And they're all racists.

 

So you've managed to find a way to logically break down why it is more blacks have a hard time getting money loaned to them. Congrats!

If black people atm make up a big chunk of low income households, it stands to reason that they likely have shitty credit scores. If that's the case then what do you propose? The banks just loan the money to black people regardless of credit scores? Because black. Wut?

Got anything else?

 

That's not what I asked you. There are plenty of books of fairy tales for children, such as the Bible. War is not a fairy tale. It seems every relevant question I ask you is (un)answered with a diversion.

 

Morgan Freeman shits on this idea between race playing a role between the have's and have nots. And so do I

Networth: 250 mil. Not bad for being held back because of the boogie man systemic racism.


You wanna help black people get out of the muck? Preach personal responsibility and stop with playing the victim card. It's unbecoming and a dead end.

 

Sorry you do not need CRT to teach that slavery is wrong, or that racism is evil. Critical thinking and our founding documents .is all that's necessary for that.

 

CRT is more proof that Ayn Rand was right: “There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”

Real Americans aren't racists, so government has to convince their children that they are so government can control them.

 

Sorry not an argument against post modernism. A simple incontrovertible statement if fact but at this point I suppose you have no choice but to continue lighting the gas.

 

I gave you an answer, you can clean up teaching about war in the same way you clean up teaching children about the bible

 

The singe parent percentage. That’s the problem. It’s the root of everything.

 

You are not wrong. It's actually very logical reasoning to assume that if you have a culture that has embraced single parent households in low income environments are going to create and entire generation of **** stains of society.

But no...its the boogey man "systemic racism" that's to blame.

 

None of that is an answer that makes any sense. There's no way to clean up teaching about war. There's nothing "clean" about wars. You're making crap up.

 

by that logic there is no way to clean up the bible

but the truth is, you can tell a cleaner version of both to school aged kids, save the hard core version for when they get older

 

And how do you make sure the people who say we need to ban CRT have that critical thinking to make sure they don’t go too far and ban talk of slavery?

Critical race theory... is a structuralist argument that tries to incorporate societal concepts. Marxism critical theory... is a structuralist that tries to incorporate societal concepts. Just because something is structuralist, does not make it Marxist. That would be like saying every GOP attack on Biden is actually socialist because they talk about the middle class. Class being something Marx explained and basically defined as we know it today.

 

Then how do you prevent a student from saying “Robert is getting bad grades because African Americans are (insert racial stereotype here)”? What lesson plan would you use to stop a student from thinking that?

 

I don’t think there isn’t a reasonable argument here that doesnt include that. But my concern is how do we make sure people don’t use the language of banning CRT to stop talk on slavery being wrong?

 

Easy. Math and English aren’t racist so changing what isn’t broken won’t fix a problem that doesn’t exist. Ebonics doesn’t fix English. Saying 1+1 may not equal 2, doesn’t fix math. Making it all easier so everyone can pass doesn’t fix anything. It just makes everyone dumber.

And a solution to fix how people think is also easy. The MSM could stop lying. Democrat leaders could stop lying too. Democrat leaders could stop giving race baiters a platform to spew BS that would convince parents and impressionable kids that any failures can be blamed on white people. They could stop claiming business are racist if they don’t have 50% Black people employed. Or 50% Black people on every board of directors. They can learn math and recall that if black people only make up around 13% of the population how can they fill a disproportionate amount of EVERY JOB???

But why would they do all that when pushing racism is so lucrative? Clicks click clicks. And what else would they have to get minorities to vote for them if they stop saying “vote for me because the other guy is racist” ?

 

And you don’t even have a lesson plan in mind for school. You cant think of a way to do it can you?

 

No there isn't, it's several books filled with fairy tale after fairy tale. One would not be "cleaning it up", one would be changing the fairy tale stories.

That's not truth, that makes no sense. Either you teach children what war really is or you lie to them and they learn the truth later and that they were lied to when they were younger. Same with the Bible. If they have one at home they can read it for themselves and find out their teachers are lying to them. In fact these days most children have access to the internet and can find the truth themselves and figure out their teachers are lying to them. That makes children distrust their teachers and take everything they're taught as potential lies. Is that the kind of educational system you're proposing?

 

How about a shock collar? Give him a zap when he says something unwoke.

 

I mean it could work. Perhaps we should try on you. Every time you make a bad argument it zaps you.

 

Sure, that would work. It is in fact the Progressive paradigm; Suppress dissent. =

 

How are you able to type that without keeling over in pain? You were the one to suggest the shock collar, not I.

 

you can sanitize it for children, children should not be exposed to the cold realities of war

 

Krane, I'm really not at all sure where you're going with this. You are aware we have a thread on this forum about a professor herself defending CRT and what it means to her, right?

Bottom line is that what she says about CRT - and she knows far more about it than you do, no way around it - is magnitudes removed from simply saying "Slavery is bad, ending it was good."