Should Trump respect the Electoral College vote?

So...(assuming that's true) There was nothing wrong with the story.

But how do you know this? QAnon bullshit?

 

It was common knowledge. All of the articles she wrote on the subject have been scrubbed. Censorship is kicking in pretty effectively on a global scale now.

Was watching a live info-rally on YouTube about the coronavirus vaccine when YouTube simply shut it down.

Don't know anything at all about qanon.

Pretty busy the next few days, will try to give you a more detailed answer when I have time.

 

Here's a quick question for you - what do you know about Operation Gladio??

What did the MSM report?? The BBC, surprisingly, produced some very good documentaries on the subject.

 

Wist43- You seem to have forgotten that you said you would answer my questions once I answered yours;

Here were my questions:

 

It's sad that we've gotten to the point that we have so many people questioning whether or not Trump should respect the Constitution that he's supposedly sworn to protect.

 

Short of time for now... I own a small business, and am travelling.

Where you're at in your trust of the MSM is where I was 40 years ago - I had the excuse of youth and naivete. To get past that requires intellectual honesty and a commitment to the truth.

Most people have neither. It's easier to be intellectually lazy and let other people do their thinking for them.

I'll answer your question when I can catch a breath.

In the mean time, Gladio?? Indulge me.

 

Wasn’t Operation Gladio about Italy? Nothing to do with the Electoral College.

 

Goes to prove a point about the MSM - they lie, omit, character assassinate, propagandize... it's disgusting.

If you're getting your information from them, you have no reasonable hope of understanding what's actually going on.

You have to dig and research. Why would you blindly trust Globalist corporations to tell you the truth about anything??

 

Inevitably, you have to rely on sources. The MSM is biased, but bias doesn't entail falsehood. Corporate control can influence what is published and what is ignored, but there's a variety of reputable sources from a variety of perspectives - so facts are available to those who seek them.

If you choose to reject everything the MSM says, what sources are left? Anonymous people on the web? How do you establish THEIR credibility?

 

Not sure what you’re saying.

 

Your question is a good one....... and from what I have read if voter fraud is NOT dealt with in 2020........ it will be very difficult to ever give Americans valid reason to trust that their votes will count.

Biden did not even bother to campaign....... and now finally we know why!

 

If your bias prevents you from presenting relevant facts that would lead the consumer to draw a completely different conclusion - then isn't the biased presentation deliberately rigged to present falsehoods even if some if the information is factually true??

If you study the art of propaganda, from the Soviet Union, to Joseph Goebbels, to disinformation and the process of demoralization - presenting a minimal basis in fact is necessary to deceive en masse. The psychological tactics are very sophisticated, very well planned, and expertly executed.

Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov is an excellent resource on this subject. I suspect YouTube will, if they haven't already, scrub all of his interviews and seminar videos from their site. I haven't looked for a while.

And when we're talking about corporate media, we're not talking about biased reporters, we're talking about the Global Establishment that has an anti-America agenda - an anti-freedom agenda, an anti-people agenda.

The reporters are all liberal Democrats, b/c the corporation will only hire people who will sell their company line.

If they deviate from authorized scripts, their careers will be over.

I use Independent Journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia from Malta as an example b/c she dared to defy the global Establishment and report on the CIA's laundering of drug money thru Malta.

It is common knowledge amongst those of us who research such things, and it is common knowledge in the freelance journalist community - Daphne knew what she was doing could, and likely would, get her killed, but she pressed ahead anyway in the name of fighting these criminals.

Not a single MSM outlet would dare tell the truth behind her assassination - the NPR story is a joke.

I first came across the facts behind the Galizia assassination on James Corbett's Corbett Report. An excellent podcaster headquartered in Japan.

You say earlier,

"there's a variety of reputable sources from a variety of perspectives - so facts are available to those who seek them."

So if there are as you say "reputable sources... available to those seek them", why would you then argue,

"If you choose to reject everything the MSM says, what sources are left?"
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I do seek out those "reputable sources", and have for many years.

After spending decades studying these subjects, I can assure you that the worst place to get information is the MSM.

As I do not do these things professionally anymore, I will use the MSM to see what agenda items and lies they are pushing, and if it interests me enough I may do some digging. But I really don't fight these battles much anymore - I have a business to run, and a family to take care of.

As for alternate sources, I would recommend looking at, in no particular order...

NTD, OAN, Just The News (John Soloman), Newsmax, James Corbett's Corbett Report, Sibel Edmunds (FBI Whistleblower), Breitbart, American Thought Leaders, New American Magazine (they can get sidetracked at times though), American Thinker, ... there are many more, but you'll never find them if you don't look and are content to just consume canned, corporate propaganda.

I've been at this for many years, used to do it professionally - there is a lot of garbage out there, misinformation, disinformation, planted stories, etc. It takes time to sift through if you don't know what to look for.

Add to that, the fact that censorship is really starting to kick in - it will accelerate under Biden.

Biden's false election means the end for America as we knew her - they will embed and normalize corruption and control into a consolidated hierarchy that can't be challenged from below.

 

This election wasn't that close. Of course Trump should respect the will of the people. He should have once Biden passed 270 conceded and took his loss as a man. His actions and behavior is that of a spoiled four year old brat who didn't get his way. It definitely isn't that of an adult. Can you imagine the Tampa Bay Rays filing lawsuit after lawsuit to over turn the LA Dodgers world series win. Same deference. He lost, he should take it like a man and not a four year old spoiled brat.

 

Some books that I consider essential reading to understand what is happening today are,

Road to Serfdom - Hayek
Communist Manifesto - Marx
Prison Notebooks - Gramsci
Rules For Radicals - Alinsky
1984 - Orwell
The Prince - Machiavelli
Tragedy and Hope - Quigley

If you have the understanding of these books, our current predicament in 2020 makes a lot more sense.

 

And again, no Trump did not lose - the Democrats cheated.

If we had any honest courts in this country this would have been straightened out weeks ago.

But, of course, we don't have honest courts, and we no longer operate by the rule of law.

The 2020 false election of Biden proves that.

 

An ideal presentation would present all available facts, and perhaps alternative interpretations of those facts, that would permit the reader to draw his own educated conclusions. If you ever run across such a thing, let me know. But the typical presentation is of a narrative that the author believes true. That doesn't make it a lie. We are free to seek additional facts and alternative interpretations elsewhere. It would also be helpful to engage with people with a different point of view, and be receptive to hearing the facts they've seen in their sources.

Just because you don't trust MSM doesn't automatically imbue alternatives with credibility. Some of the sources you listed (Corbett, in particular) peddle conspiracy theories. If you're going to accept these idiocies, you really aren't being very discerning at all.

If this is something you've learned from these alternative sources, let's put it to the test. Using all this knowledge you've gained, make a good case for Biden's election being false. Point to actual evidence, not podcasts or articles treating this as "common knowledge". This will be a great test of their credibility.

 

You've never even heard of Corbett... you do a quick google search (with their rigged algorithms) and suddenly you're fully informed on James Corbett??

You just proved my point - you won't investigate to make up your own mind based on the information you find - you simply accept that Google's algorithm presented you with all the truth you needed to know. And for you that means investigation complete.

As for the vote fraud - you're obviously comfortable with your lack of understanding on the subject. Nothing I say will change your mind.

Intellectual laziness

 

With all this talk of election fraud, I decided to check to see how the exit polls of over 15,000 voters match up to the actual results. Here’s the exit polls.


https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


According to the exit polls, Democrats made up 37% of those who actually voted, they voted 94-5 Biden over Trump. Rather simple math .95 times 37 comes out to 35.15 while .05 times 37 comes to 1.85. republicans made up 36% of those who actually voted. Trump won republicans 94-6 over Biden. Again .94 times 36 equals 33.94 for Trump, .06 times 36 equals 2.16. Independents made up 26% of those who voted, Biden won independents 54-41. Again .54 times 26 equals 14.04 for Biden and .41 times 26 equals 10.66 for Trump. Exit polling data shows Biden winning 51.35% to Trump’s 46.45% with the rest going to third party candidates. The actual results were 51.1% for Biden, 47.1 for Trump.


Okay, not an exact match, but really close. Of course exit polling is just going by what people told the pollster. But who people told the pollster who they voted for comes within a hair of the actual results. Which if there were massive fraud, one would expect a big difference. Now if the exit polling or folks telling the pollster that 50% of them voted for Trump where as only 46% was the actual results, that would have shown massive fraud. But to be this close to the final results throws massive fraud out the window.

 

What CHOICE does he have?

Unless, he plans to be dragged kicking and screaming on Jan. 20th.

 

No. I don't claim I'm fully informed on him. I'd be happy to hear why you consider him credible. So far, the only virtue you've mentioned is that he's not MSM - which obviously isn't a good reason to consider him credible. So please: demonstrate his credibility.

When you allude to Google this way, you are teenforcing my suspicion that you embrace conspiracy theories. Give me evidence, not conspiracy theory.

On the contrary, I've examined what evidence I can find for fraud, and have found nothing credible. I've requested evidence from numerous people on this site, and no one has produced. I've found conspiracy theory - the interpretation of events based on the assumption of fraud. Since you seem entrenched in conspiracy theories (correct me if I'm wrong on this), this craziness must seem normal to you. Again, I'm open to facts. If your views are derived from facts, and not just the conspiracy theory irrationality, you should have no trouble presenting the facts. If you fail to do this, I will consider it confirmation of what I've surmised.

You've given me no reason to think my time would be well spent. You supposedly have learned much from these sites - it should be very little trouble for you to demonstrate their credibility.

 

It's taken me decades to get to where I'm at in my understanding - and I have news for you, I've worked very hard at it.

So to flippantly say it should be little trouble to prove decades of knowledge and experience are valid to someone who is closed minded?? Now that is certainly not worth my time.

I used to work in the field of disinformation professionally. I made a lot of sacrifices to try and serve my country in this way. I finally burned out and concluded that America's situation was hopeless.

I knew 40 years ago that our nation was going to be churning out generations of people incapable of thinking critically - and just as bad, not caring a wit about that fact or the consequences.

We are now nearing the predictable end, but you don't see it - you are incapable of seeing it.

This speech in China, where he talks about the Establishment?? Slave labor, serfdom, elites controlling the masses, the masses without voice or redress... this is your future.

I'm sure it's not worth your time to understand what's coming your way though, huh??

Surprised this hasn't been scrubbed yet.

 

The impression you've given me is that you believe in multiple conspiracy theories. If that is correct, then it tells me you don't engage in rational, critical thinking - so your opinion is, at best, nothing more than a curiosity to me. It would certainly not be a point of view I haven't much interest in understanding in detail.

You haven't come out and said you embrace conspiracy theories, so I could be wrong. So tell me: do you believe there is a deep state? Was bin Laden's death faked? Did the government cover up an alien landing at Area 51? Were the twin towers destroyed by elements in the US government, as well as the Oklahoms City bombing? Was the Kennedy assassination done by the CIA? Was the moon landing a Hollywood production? Was the Sandy Hook shooting a hoax? Was the 2020 election stolen by "them"? All these things are considered "common knowledge" in certain circles. I hope I'm wrong.

It's an enormous leap from "the MSM is biased" to the belief they are part of a conspiracy to deliberately distort the truth. It's yet another leap to decide to trust anyone on the internet who is as disdainful of the MSM as you. If I've pegged you correctly, it's no wonder you are so passionate for Trump.

 

I'm not a Republican, and Trump is the first major party candidate I've voted for since Reagan in 84. I'm a libertarian.

You're pretty well hemmed into the pen they've put you in... happy as a pig in mud as the saying goes, and just as stuck.

I'll leave you with this - Trump said one thing in his Presidency that was spot on,

"They're (The Establishment) not coming for me, they're come for you (us, we the people). I'm just between them and you".

It's taken the Establishment 100 years to get to this point. $50 trillion in debt within the next 5 years; entitlement programs all operating in the red now; a commitment to reducing our nations energy output; corrupt courts; corrupt institutions; opening of borders to invite in a flood of ignorant, cheap labor, etc.

We won't survive as a nation for long with all of those ravages working against us - but of course, that is the plan.

Good luck, you're gonna need it - there's some serious white water ahead. Our Constitution will be on the scrap heap in less than 10 years.

 

I take that as a "yes", that you believe in conspiracy theories. I encourage you to seek out criticisms of this type of reasoning. It's a mental trap, but one you can work yourself out of by learning how to think critically. The Wikipedia article on Conspiracy Theories is a good start. Another is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philisophy article on Critical Thinking.

I wish you luck.

 

Lol...