Shouldn't the poor pay their fair share of taxes?

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  1. Sgt_McCluskey

    Sgt_McCluskey Banned

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    Those who make 10 000 USD a month and those who only make 2000 USD use the same roads and bridges, and both send their kids to the same schools so why the poor are fee off the hook when it comes to taxes. Shouldn't the poor pay their fair share of taxes instead of using this country infrastructure for free?
     
  2. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lets see, i sorta thought there was a gas tax to help pay for roads i was unaware how to avoid that tax, other than not using gasoline?

    where i live, schools are not funded by the federal government must be different where you live
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This should be interesting. How do you plan to levy taxes against the poor? Also why would you intentionally target taxes against people who are less able to pay them? Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to tax reform and certainly for targeting taxes to pay for use (like a gas tax paying for roads) but I don't see why anyone would target the poor for taxes.
     
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    The poor don't make enough money to be worth taxing. That said, people would probably benefit from understanding that the wealth of a nation is not actually related to the amount of currency it has. It has to do with the economic output of the population, their skills in trade and the subtle (these days) benefits of military strength.
     
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    That is why I am for a flat tax. I don't care if you earn $1.00/yr; a 10% flat tax would mean you owe .10. Extreme example buy illustrates my point. The flat tax should be paid on "ordinary income" and that rate could be lower if we do away with all tax credits and deductions from gross income, as reported by your employer plus miscellaneous income you received or if a small business, the gross earnings of the business minus expenses. Plus it would be very easy for individuals to file their taxes on their own and easy for the IRS to enforce.

    I am sick of income inequality being blamed on the supposed "rich". We are all provided an education through k-12 which only those businesses and homeowners pay for in the form of Taxes if your State has no income tax. Am I right about that?
    Then the majority of us worked our way through College and a large percentage of us took out loans. When we graduated we owed a fortune which many, especially those who went on for a Masters or Doc. are stilling paying back years after graduating.
    Why should people that took this route and now earn higher wages than others be made to feel guilty for doing so? Those family's with two incomes earning $250K are considered "rich" according to Dems and Obama and as such receive few tax credits, college grants or benefit from the multitude of welfare programs that those earning less can receive.

    So yes, you live in this Country, pay your share. .1 cent and up. It isn't those that in the upper tax brackets that caused income inequality, it was the loss of good pay blue collar jobs, technological advancements, over regulation, higher taxes on businesses and an overall environment making moving customer service departments and manufacturing to Countries with lower taxes and lower cost of living and lower operating costs in general. IMO.
     
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    It illustrates the obvious flaw of not having some kind of tax-free allowance. It's pointless going to the trouble of taking 10% of a $1.00 income (or even, say, a $500 or $1000 incomes) given that those people would inevitably need a whole load of basic financial support from the state anyway. It's just wasted expense shifting money back and forth. A flat tax system is perfectly viable but there's no serious proposal that doesn't have some form of basic level tax-free allowance (in fact most non-flat income taxes do too for the same reasons).
     
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    Given the fact that most right-wingers believe the poor are too stupid to earn a living wage, what percentage of their pitiful incomes do the conservatives and neoconservatives want the poor to be taxed to live at or below the poverty level? This is after the New Republican Majority cuts the food stamp program, which many low income families now qualify to receive.

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    This is just more right wing sheep vomit. Ill-informed and senseless. Just more class warfare from the right.
     
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    The poor pay a greater percentage of their meagre income in taxes than anyone.
     
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    The poor are not using the countries infrastructure or services for free. They are paying landowners for that infrastructure and those services. The more or the better government infrastructure and services are available in an area, the higher the landowners levy their rents. Hence, the poor are paying their fair share for government, it's just that they are paying landowners for what government is providing.


     
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    Yeah there's something to that argument as well as the fact that very nearly everything one purchases is taxed. But then again with that credit card replacement for food stamps scheme and other give-away programs . . . it is debatable if when all is said and done poor people do pay any form of taxes that they do not eventually get handed back to them.
     
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    No it isn't. And in fact it is what we currently do, shift money back and forth. Don't ask those that have achieved a good income to pay higher taxes to subsidize those who have not. (the PPACA does that). Instead, let all wage earners pay the same federal income tax on their gross income and let the Federal Government fund the welfare programs from those taxes. The Federal government needs to live within their means using annual income derived from a flat tax on "ordinary income", income received from wages earned. They need to budget that income. In this order. Defense, loan repayment, infrastructure, welfare programs including SS and health care programs(all partially paid for, Medicare). Then let the States tax for Education.
     
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    poor do not have cars so why should they pay for roads and bridges ?

    Interesting question though in terms of what a "fair share" is.

    McDonalds depends heavily on roads and infrastructure. The corp/worker ratio used to be 50/50 back in the fifties. Now it is 20/80.

    Why the heck am I paying McDonalds share ?
     
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    If they buy gasoline or pay tolls they pay their share of taxes for the bridges and highways.
     
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    You obviously don't know how your States, County school system is funded. Schools are jumping through hoops to get Federal Funding. The Fed. requires them to follow mandated testing and the fed basis their State funding on the results of those tests. That is why education is nothing more than teaching children to pass these standardized tests. We would be better of without interference of the Federal Government when it comes to Education. Every since the creation of the Department of Education, students have received a poorer education, one that fails to teach basic math, English and reading and assure students have mastered the basic principles before moving to higher levels. Unless students master the basic subjects they will fail to understand algebra, for instance.

    And the "poor" are not always living as poor after receiving federal and state welfare. Many of our customers on Medicaid and Food Stamps drive expense cars, where expensive clothing and jewelry and live quite comfortably, often better than our employees or ourselves. Some work the system and they are very good at doing it. Regardless, if they are healthy, they had the same educational opportunities and if they are a minority had more access to Government programs than the majority of citizens. That is a fact.
     
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    school funding

    http://futureofchildren.org/futureofchildren/publications/docs/07_03_02.pdf
    Public school finance mechanisms differ from state to state, and they are often extremely complex. Most commonly, the federal government contributes about 7% of the total school budget, and the remainder is split fairly evenly between local contri- butions (primarily raised through local property taxes) and state contributions (pri- marily raised through state income taxes and sales taxes). The average amount of money provided per pupil varies greatly from one state to another.

    if people on welfare are gaming the system... and that may be true imo
    then the system itself is flawed, not the tax rate that poor people pay
     

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